Aug 19 2008
McCain-Giuliani Ticket?
I think he’s considering Giuliani.
– Might put NY in enough play to make Obama spend a lot of money there.Â
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The McCain campaign has already hired a Giuliani staffer as the unnamed veep’s communications director…
Now that team would rock.
That wouldn’t even get him New York.
Ah. So, going by your “Obama VP” post below, Obama is in big trouble because he can’t offend “his base” with his VP choice. But, McCain (who’s never really been a big hit with the GOP base himself), can choose a pro-choice, pro-gay rights running mate, and his “base” will have no problem with that?
I’m not seeing the logical consistency here.
New Yorkers elected Hillary Clinton and continue to re elect the idiot Charles Shumer. They can not be expected to do anything intelligent anymore. Oh yeah and Elliot Spitzer. Now if he picked Derek Jeter that might work.
I’m not seeing the logical consistency here.
I’m sure some spin is forth coming.
They are both for open borders, globalists, Anti Constitution, Anti Sovereignty, etc.
No matter which un qualified candidate wins, it will be a long 4-8 years.
Limbaugh thinks Rudy is a bad pick.
I’ll be voting for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party this year. I see little difference between the two major parties anymore.
I guess I’m now an Independent Conservative!
Got To Go, Take Care!
Stevevvs,
if it makes the rightwing nuts froth I am all for it!
Oh yeah, I and all my friends & family are digging the Irish-Italian dynamic duo ticket!!!!!! There’s actually a tingle beginning to crawl up my leg.
And yes, the bonus is, the wingnuts will be driven to [further] hysterics! Malkin is already spewing green vomit about drag queens and other bizarre things. Woo-hoo!
Steve, can you describe why Rush is against Rudy as VP? I no longer listen to him but that kind of surprises me.
Abortion and gay rights are far, far behind fiscal issues and foreign policy issues on the priority list for voters this year. Giuliani was strong on both the economy and foreign policy during the primary, and has an aura of leadership about him. I would call this GOOD JUDGMENT on the part of McCain to pick Rudy, it makes it apparent he wants to win!
I think it’s possible that the GOP could take NY with Rudy on the ticket, and the Dems cannot win if they lose NY.
GWood,
Agreed. Obama would lose NY City and thus NY – and that would be the end of the Messiah.
That ticket would be a disaster!!!
The Pro-lifers would freak. Also from a Catholic viewpoint there are many of us that do not want to see a Catholic Politician that is a scandal be in that public of a postion.
Have no doubt that played some role in Kerry’s defeat. I am sorry but having to endure 4 years of Rudy taking commnion stories and having to expalin that is something I don’t want to do.
It might not seem like a big deal to non Catholics . But there is a segment that will revolt
THis is not the time to blow up the party. I am having enough trouble convincing PRO-Life forces to stay on board and be HAPPY about it.
THere is quite a camagign going on among the Catholics between Obama and McCain. A Pro Choice veep might make those more moderate Social Justice Catholic voters go so what is the point. GIve me Obama and National Health Care and great things for the poor since the GOP now has put a pro choice personon board.
SOmeone with 100 percent PRO-life Bona fides could maybe maybe get away with it. McCain is not in that positon
For those talking about Rudy will get us NY. I suggest we go back and look at the polls for the Republican Primary in New York just weeks before. McCain was very close if not even.
I would suggest perhaps that might show that Rudy is a tad not the dream ticket for that area as some might think. IF Rudy was in danger of not carrying his home state in a primary then how in the world we he get it to go GOP in the general
Also look at McCains strengh in NEw Jersey that was apparent early on in the primaries
“They are both for open borders, globalists, Anti Constitution, Anti Sovereignty, etc.”
Steve
neither McCain or Rudy are for that. I do not want Rudy on the ticket because that would be a disaster in my view but goodness let us look at this in a sane way
I do like Rudy, he was my second choice after Thompson. But I do not think he would be a good choice for McCain’s VP.
I would still vote for them, but it will alienate many of the frothing conservatives you are talking about. And that is not a good thing for McCain. He can not win without them. McCain can not win with just the middle.
And stevevvs, it is nice to know thatyou will be voting Obama in November. That is just what we conservatives want. It is always great to get 0% of what you want other than 70-80% of what you want. That always works.
AJ I agree with you on many things, but to cut loose the far right will be a disaster for McCain. It is hard enough now to get them enthused about McCain, and he does need them to win.
The Republican Party might just be the Middle Party and break up into the Constitutional Party and Conservative Party and be in the wilderness for many many years to come.
What McCain needs is someone that we can all get behind.
BigLSU,
The pro-lifers are already freaking and ready to sit this one out. If you lose the far right the only option is to grab the center.
The “True” Conservatives have made their bed. They have threatened to walk too many times. They have zero credibility on their latest claims of support.
And they will probably find some other reason to tank McCain later. Better to cut those folks lose now and build a winning centrist coalition. If they right stays home and Obama loses the left running to the center McCain still wins.
And it is all about winning.
A lot to disagree with here!
Giuliani would lose a lot of family-value and pro-life voters. And why anoint RG for 1012?
stix,
It’s not clear to me that the principled voters are any more “frothing at the mouth” than the unprincipled ones.
gwood,
Fiscal issues are important, but don’t trump what it means to be human. And why is it “good judgment” for McCain to pick someone with “bad judgment?” Giuliani isn’t much different than Edwards and Spitzer .
I would just like to point out that what we are talking about is the general election, and the Republican nomination for the position of VICE President, not President. Unless I miss the mark, the only way the executive branch can influence abortion would be through the appointment of judges, and I believe the evangelicals are happy with the pro-life McCain heading the ticket. For that matter, many were satisfied with Giuliani’s answers concerning his criteria for appointing judges during the primary.
Half this country voted for pro-choice candidates in the last four elections, most of them women. With the large number of female libs disenchanted with Obama for defeating their beloved Hillary, perhaps the McCain camp’s judgment is that there’s more to gain than to lose.
Stevevvs,
if it makes the rightwing nuts froth I am all for it!
(And You call yourself an “Independent Conservative”)
Steve, can you describe why Rush is against Rudy as VP?
(I guess he is opposed because he’s a liberal, I too, don’t listen to Rush much anymore. He’s to much of a neocon for me.)
“They are both for open borders, globalists, Anti Constitution, Anti Sovereignty, etc.â€
Steve
neither McCain or Rudy are for that
(Actually, their actions in office, trump their retoric on the campaign trail. The Voting record, along with the legislation put forth by McCain, say otherwise. Follow their records, ignore their words.)
And stevevvs, it is nice to know thatyou will be voting Obama in November. That is just what we conservatives want. It is always great to get 0% of what you want other than 70-80% of what you want. That always works.
(I am voting for Chuck Baldwin. Not Obama. I have gotten signatures to get him on the ballet, I’ve sent him money, and I have two of his yard signs and a Bumper Sticker on my truck.
You see, a Presidents “Job” is to “Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” It’s not fighting “Global Warming, it’s not to grant “Amnesty” to illegal Aliens, it’s not to do any of the sort.
I see no reason to give my one and only vote to any more people running for office, who do not take that oath seriously. John McCain, AND Obama are a disaster for this once great Republic.
I’m no longer into “Jersey Politics”, GWB has changed me. I started reading a lot in this second term. I read the Federalist Paper and other books on our Country. I studied Illegal Aliens, and most especially Islam.
I just changed. I can’t vote the “Lesser of two evils” any more. If both are evil, I should, as a citizen, look elsewhere for true Leadership our Founders would be proud of.
I see no reason to whine, it is what it is, but I don’t have to support bad people.
With McCain, I’d probably get 5-10% of what I think this country needs. With Chuck Baldwin, I get 95-100%.
So, no mater which of the two Major Party Candidate wins, I know it’s not my fault.
I voted for Constitutional Governance, Following the Rule of Law, and I voted for U.S. Sovereignty. I will sleep at night knowing I did the best I could for the preservation of the Constitution. For me, that comes first.
I hope this helps.
McCain-Feingold — the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.
McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.
McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history.
McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.
McCain-Reimportation of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety (hey Rudy, pay attention, see link).
And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.
As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.
McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.
And then there’s the McCain defense record.
His supporters point to essentially one policy strength, McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency. It has now evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?
Moreover, Iraq is an important battle in our war against the Islamo-fascist threat. But the war is a global war, and it most certainly includes the continental United States, which, after all, was struck on 9/11. How does McCain fare in that regard?
McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).
McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.
While McCain proudly and repeatedly points to his battles with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had to rebuild the U.S. military and fight a complex war, where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration and McCain’s friend, former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen? Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention? Also, McCain was apparently in the dark about al-Qaeda like most of Washington, despite a decade of warnings
This election cycle has taught me a lot. There are an awefull lot of phoney conservatives on the right. Limbaugh, Malkin, National Review, Hannity, etc. They all hate McCain, yet, they will ALL vote for him. They will do so strictly because he has an “R” on his “Jersey”, no other reason. As my sister said to me, by voting for Liberal Republicans, we are actually hurting the Party.
Now to A.J., the Party going even further left, is a good thing.
I see it differently. We need a Party that is pro U.S. and U.S. citizen. We need a Party that is Pro Constitution, etc. With out that, we get enormous spending increases, and larger government, which is also less freedom. This Federal Government is now spending over 3.1 Trillion Dollars per year. That is nuts, we can not sustain this, nor should we.
stevevvs:
Okay, I’m curious, especially about your statement “GWB has changed me” – what caused the change? How strictly do you define “Pro Constitution”? Can you give examples of where the two current major candidates are currently anti-Constitution?
And are you consistent across the board – do you condemn the NSA warrantless wiretapping program, and the treatment of Jose Padillo?
I don’t think there is any more chance of that than there is the Dems breaking into the Liberals(lefties) and Progressives(far lefties) and remaining in the wilderness.
and:
I’m a ‘true’ conservative and have never threatened to walk, any and all Republicans are far superior (in electability) than any lib. While there may be ‘some’ positions I don’t agree with conservative candidates , there are basically no leftie or leftie position that I do agree with