Feb 01 2008
GOP RINO-Traitors For Hillary
I am laughing and crying with the apoplexy raging the hyper-right today. The most hilarious is Anne Coulter would rather campaign for Hillary over McCain.
Is she now a greater RINO-Traitor than McCain because she is not just working on compromise bills with Dems but supporting them in the Presidential election? And isn’t sitting out the vote so Hillary can win also the act of a RINO-traitor? It would mean a President Hillary can open the borders and give all the immigrants the right to vote (two things Bush, McCain and Kyle all opposed)? Is this the best way to progress conservatism? When will their madness end!
I’m not sure Ann is being much more ridiculous than many other republicans about this that I’m reading about. Hey my guy was Giulliani but McCain IS a conservative, just not as off-the-wall as the loud-mouths with microphones and bits want him to be.
It depresses me no end to think that the only guy Coulter thinks I should ever vote for is Huckabee.
It highlights the trait that may give to republicans, intransient and not receptive to others ideas. Quite pathetic.
And the more I hear the idiots ragging on McCain the more it makes me want to open my checkbook. In fact I think I will. Sheesh pretty pathetic excuse for grown-ups.
I always thought of the republican party as the party of the grown-ups, now I find that although the electorate may be grown-up, our “opinion-makers” are just children, throwing a tantrum.
Last time I bailed on the republicans was when they started smearing Perot with a “he’s cuckoo” label without even engaging what he was trying to do. This kind of stuff really makes me want to sit out.
Whippet,
There’s a few posters you’re better offf ignoring, not worth it.
The item about the Fairness Doctrine — now that appears right up McCain’s alley, in tune with his corrupting McCain-Feingold clampdown on free speech … one more reason to make last-ditch push for Romney.
Whippet:
Well you do what you like, but like my little brother used to say when my mother told us to pipe down: Terrye started it!
ivehadit:
I think I was too unkind to Romney. I would not be a bit surprised if he was not the President some day. I just don’t think it will be this coming November. But, anything can happen.
Wiley:
Now you see that is the sort of thing that is so annoying. I was not talking to you. I did not do anything to you, but you just had to jump in there and say something nasty. Now if I respond to that, I will be the meanie who is not worth “engaging”. That is petty.
I hope McCain will never push for reenactment of Fairness Doctrine. Same with LOST.
Wiley,
Boy, you sure are right about ignoring some of the posters.
What’s too bad is that some of them have some good comments. Even if you don’t agree with them they appear to be well- versed and insightful. But if you challenge anything they say they twist your words to be some kind of personal attack. They believe all that “vast right-wing conspiracy” crap.
Those particular ones may be Independents now but I suspect they were once Dems where they learned from the masters of the blame game.
Others here appear to have intelligent disagreements and ultimately agree to disagree.
For the Romney Supporters…thought you might like this one.
http://patterico.com/2008/02/01/a-campaign-joke-or-why-i-support-mitt-romney/
And another to keep hope alive!
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/02/the_fat_lady_wont_sing_on_super_tuesday/
I am not a “Romney supporter” I am a Republican Party supporter. Right now I favor Romney over McCain in personal preference but I also believe that McCain has a better shot of winning the general election than Romney does. I would rather have a “liberal” Republican in office than a “conservative” Democrat.
I don’t define my world in terms of Liberal and Conservative. For me it is more a matter of Socialist vs. Capitalist. World government vs. National Sovereignty. At the national level I wish both the “conservatives” and the “liberals” would stop trying to shove their social agenda down out throats.
Random observations –
Don’t take threats of who someone will or will not support for November too seriously in February. Primary season is where we ought to slug it out. As long as the wounds of those battles are not too serious, we are in pretty good shape for the presidential campaign. There has been a lot of gum-flapping between various factions of the Republican coalition. But talk, as always is cheap. There is also a lot of time between today and the convention and November. And if we’ve learned one thing about this political season, it is going to be unpredictable and things change very quickly.
Here’s a fun question for your consideration: Should Romney lose the nomination, what do you expect him to do to help the nominee or the party out for the next several years? Should McCain lose the nomination (again), what do you expect him to do? Will he reprise his spiteful, obstructionist actions in the Senate following Bush’s win in 2000 or will he behave himself? Ought that difference in expected behaviour be considered in selecting who to vote for?
Ann Coulter is a polemicist – a pamphleteer, a bomb thrower in the political debate. She is really, really good at it. The more people are talking about what she says, the more books she sells. You guys appear to be talking about her. Cheers –
Agrimarc,
Very true and well said.
We certainly don’t know how Romney might respond if he doesn’t get the nomination but his past history and temperment don’t appear to show him to be a future problem to the party.
McCain, on the other hand has quite a colorful past when it comes to spite and back-stabbing. Sometimes I wonder if his decisions on legislation are based on his beliefs or on his desire to get back at something or someone because of his bruised ego or his anger.
Agimarc – Exactly, a few of us have been saying the same thing. It’s the primary season, this is the time to slug it out. There’s so much between now & the general — the polls are meaningless that show McCain doing well against HRC & Obama. His “straight talk” that is anything but, the Keating 5, and many other unsound decisions and worse will be a huge anchor to overcome.
Well, here we are a day later and I still do not have the slightest idea what Whippet is talking about. Maybe more wine will help.
I agree with Anne. Either McCain or Clinton would be disastrous for the U.S. Therefore let the Democrats screw up, so we can blame the disaster on the Democrats.
McCain says “Fences Firstâ€. Then he hires the most ardent, outspoken advocate of open borders in the U.S. – Juan Hernandez. Hernandez maintains that there are not two nations – just one region. He was in Vicente Fox’s cabinet. He crisscrossed the country, giving moral support to La Raza and other racist, violent, hate groups, advocating “immigrant rights (privileges)†for illegal aliens. Hernandez argued passionately about the need to obtain legal status for all Mexican workers in the U.S., lobbying personally for increased labor rights, health benefits, and education for all Mexicans in the U.S. He successfully lobbied for in-state tuition in many states.
Remember McCain’s bill would have issued a forever renewable “Z visa†for $3,000 to any illegal who wanted to stay in the U.S. indefinitely. If McCain were trustworthy on the “Fences First†proclamation, he would not have come within a 100 miles of Dr. Hernandez. How can McCain be trusted on anything else? Unfortunately the establishment Republicans and MSM avoids any discussion of Hernandez.
Hypocritical McCain cries “Fences First†then on Meet the Press yesterday admits, as President, he would sign the same amnesty bill that he proposed last year with the following defects:
• While American citizens do not have to be paid prevailing wage, temporary guest workers would have to be paid the prevailing (union) wage.
• While American agricultural workers can be fired for any reason (at will), agricultural guest workers could be fired only for just cause.
• Illegal aliens and their children would be eligible for Social Security and survivor benefits respectively.
• Employers would be made exempt from civil and criminal tax and criminal liability.
• Radical left-wing groups will be paid to help illegal aliens adjust their status.
• Illegal aliens will be made eligible to pay in state instead of cross-state tuition.
• The Basic Pilot Verification Program was gutted.
• Before physical or virtual fencing can be constructed, consultations must occur between United States and Mexican authorities at the federal, state, and local levels. (Courtesy of Sen. Chris Dodd)
• Local police would be prohibited from enforcing civil violations of immigration laws.
Romney has a record as a great analyst and achiever. He gathers data, defines the problem and requirements for a solution and implements it. His positions have shifted IAW his new analysis.
As far as Hillary and Obama, Obama is a pure zero, nothing but rhetoric. In the state legislature he voted “present†scores of time rather than take a position. Bill acted much the same way as president. He avoided going after Bin Laden and the Islamofascists despite many opportunities. We can’t afford another Bill at this time. Hillary is very smart and has tasted fire. I trust her more to correctly research and analyze a situation before taking action. She did make the right decision when presented with all the data from U.S. and other foreign intelligence services and vote for the war, unlike many cowardly pacifists. Anyone, given the same data, and not voting for war is unqualified to be President.