Apr 12 2007

Turkish Insanity

Published by at 9:51 am under All General Discussions

NOW the Turks want to invade Northern Iraq (a little late, since we asked them to let us invade northern Iraq over 4 years ago and they said ‘no’):

The head of Turkey’s powerful military General Staff called for a military operation in northern Iraq to quash Turkish Kurdish rebels hiding there.

Northern Iraq and the Kurdish areas is one of the few stable spots in the country. The Turks should be shut down on this insanity immediately. There is no place in NATO (or the EU in my opinion) for a country that creates chaos when we are trying to create peace. What happened to the need to explore all diplomatic avenues before using force?

14 responses so far

14 Responses to “Turkish Insanity”

  1. Soothsayer says:

    What happened to the need to explore all diplomatic avenues before using force?

    George Bush effectively put the kibosh on that bit of wisdom when he invaded Iraq in an unmanly, untimely and ill-advised manner. Besides, the Turks, along with the Iranians and the Iraqis, have been oppressing the Kurds for centuries, so there’s little to indicate they’ll stop now.

    Meanwhile – in the lower 40 of Iraq – things ain’t all that good:

    Conservative columnist Robert Novak says that President Bush’s new strategy in Iraq will lead to failure.

    “The early reports from Baghdad indicate the ‘surge’ and new strategy will not win the war,” writes Novak in the latest edition of the Evans-Novak Political Report. “The expectation from all sides is that a troop removal will be underway in earnest by year’s end, no matter who is winning the war.”

    Novak says the troop boost in Iraq is affording “mixed results,” but the feedback so far is decidedly negative.

    “The heightened U.S. troop presence, according to the top commanders, appears to be pushing the violence out of certain areas, but it has increased in others,” he asserts. “Meanwhile, U.S. troop deaths are skyrocketing, with very little attention being paid to this fact at home.”

    US troop deaths skyrocket and all the media want to talk about is Don Imus. Pathetic.

  2. For Enforcement says:

    SoothieKen, I see you are still suffering from BDS. Bush did not invade Iraq without exploring all avenues. How many UN resolutions?

    Don’t want to admit the surge is working? That’s a sympton of BDS so don’t be concerned.

  3. For Enforcement says:

    SoothieKen, since you are so obviously rooting against success in Iraq, are you prepared for Iran owning Iraq?


  4. Soothsayer says:

    Bush did not invade Iraq without exploring all avenues.

    Horse manure.

    The inspectors were still inspecting – and Hans Blick told the US government inspections could be completed in a matter of months – but NOOOOOO! George knew better – and he couldn’t wait – lest those “mushroom clouds” [Condi the Liar: “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud” – September 8, 2002].

    Of course, turned out there were no WMD’s – the government has admitted it [Wednesday 06 October 2004 – Contradicting the main argument for a war that has cost more than 1,000 American lives, the top U.S. arms inspector said Wednesday he found no evidence that Iraq produced weapons of mass destruction after 1991. He also concluded that Saddam Hussein’s ability to develop such weapons had dimmed – not grown – during a dozen years of sanctions before last year’s U.S.-led invasion. Contrary to prewar statements by President Bush, Saddam did not have chemical and biological stockpiles when the war began and his nuclear capabilities were deteriorating, not advancing, said Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group.]

    Bush was – and is – a liar. And he clearly invaded Iraq before all other avenues were exhausted – so get real and stop trying to peddle that bilge.

  5. Terrye says:

    I wish AJ would ban soothie.

  6. Terrye says:


    That man’s name is Hans Blix, not Blick, and he told the US government that there had to be a presumption of guilt in regards to Saddam and his weapons because he was refusing to comply and because he had not accounted for all of his weapons. He said that if Saddam would go with the program and work with the inspectors the work could be done, but that Saddam was refusing to do that. For an example of how it should be done, he used the regime in South Africa. So not only did you get the man’s name wrong, you are wrong about what he said at the time.

    If you had bothered to read any relevant information about this instead of just running your mouth you would know that there were about a dozen different issues mentioned in the resolution Congress passed, you would also know that Saddam was not to have programs or chemical agents either…and he had both. That means Saddam could have been right back where he started in a matter of months.

    Bush is not the liar, you are. For years I had heard about Saddam and his weapons, from Clinton and his administration, from the UN, for journalists, there is no way that any sane person can pretend that Bush just made this up out of whole cloth.

    Now if Bush had said, hey a bunch of Democrats have been in charge for years so we will just have to assume that everything Tenet says is bs because they are full of it, then maybe things would have been different. But Bush believed Clinton. Calling Bush a liar for that, makes you look like a partisan fool.

  7. patrick neid says:

    once upon a time, after WWI concluded the kurds whose people reside in parts of turkey, syria, iraq and iran were supposed to get a country when the french and british carved up the ottoman empire when it collapsed after siding with germany in WWI. the turks are deathly afraid, as are the other countries, whenever there are nationalistic stirrings. some day in a more perfect world they will have their country.

  8. The Macker says:

    Terms like “unmanly” and “liar” may satisfy the user, but are clearly not applicable to Bush for any informed observer. But to Clinton, obviously both apply.

    The Turk/Kurd problem was understood by Bush, which is why a hasty partitioning was not undertaken. Again he was ahead of the curve. Too bad Colin Powell wasn’t.

  9. For Enforcement says:

    “and he couldn’t wait “

    But SoothieKen, he did wait, 12 years and 17 (or so) resolutions. How many more months or years do you think he should have waited.

    What an idiot.

  10. BarbaraS says:

    What happened to the need to explore all diplomatic avenues before using force?

    That only applies to us and not anyone else. But then again we are expected to protect the rest of the world but only on their terms.

  11. Soothsayer says:

    he did wait, 12 years and 17 (or so) resolutions

    Horse manure squared.

    Bush didn\’t wait – as former Treasury Secretary O\’Neill pointed out -at the first cabinet meeting in 2001 after his election, Bush was obsessed with going after Saddam Hussein.

    All this before 9/11, before the forged yellowcake documents, before al-Qaeda was even on the radar screen for anyone at the White House besided Richard Clarke. Get your facts straight.

  12. Dc says:

    Horse Manure indeed. Yes, lets do get our “facts” straight.

    By facts..you apparently mean opinions by Bush critics?

    Maybe it’s you who should learn to tell the difference between a “fact” and someone’s opinion. That’s not even to mention that in Clarke’s case, he’s made/held conflicting versions of said opinion at various times.

  13. Dc says:

    I should add, that is..if you could get them off their book tours and media appearances long enough.

  14. sbd says:

    Dr. Jack Wheeler’s speech in Iraqi Kurdistan on April 4, 2007 from To The Point News

    It is an honor and privilege to be here today.

    I am from America. And although Americans are a young people and the Kurds an ancient people, we have two great things in common. First is a love of freedom. Second is the willingness to fight for freedom.

    It is so appropriate to have this meeting in Hewlar or Erbil, as it is the oldest city in the world. And not like Damascus and other very old cities, this city has always been inhabited by the same people.

    The Kurds are the original people of the Middle East. They were here before all the others, the Babylonians, the Arabs, the Turks, the Persians, before them all.

    Yet although the Kurds have triumphed over history, they still remain the largest ethnic group in the world without their own country. This must change.

    But how can this change come about when all the nations that divide Kurdistan are so afraid of it?

    It is by understanding that the Kurds are not a threat, but that instead, the Kurds are the key, the solution, to peace, democracy, and freedom in the Middle East.

    We can see this here in Iraqi Kurdistan. It is the Kurds who are holding Iraq together. Without the Kurds, Iraq would have broken apart by now. Kurdistan is the only part of Iraq that is today peaceful, prosperous, and free.

    The peoples of Turkey, Syria, and Iran must understand this. They must understand they can only have a truly free country when all their people are not oppressed by their governments.

    It is the Kurds of Syria who can bring freedom to Syria. It is the Kurds of Turkey who can bring freedom to all the peoples of Turkey.

    And it is the Kurds of Iran who can end the horrible tyranny of the mullahs in Tehran and bring freedom to Iran.

    It is so appropriate that now we celebrate the life of Qazi Mohammed and the establishment of the Republic of Mahabad.

    The Republic of Mahabad was a cry for freedom from a terrible tyranny. This cry for freedom must arise again today.

    Today there is the opportunity for Kurds to join with other people, such as the Azeris, the Ahwazi Arabs, the Baluchis, and democratic Persians to rid Iran of Mullah Fascism and bring freedom to Iran.

    I want to thank Hussein Yazdanpaneh, president of the Kurdish Freedom Party of Iran, Sherkoh Abbas, president of the Kurdish Assembly of Syria, and the Kurdistan Regional Government led by President Massoud Barzani, for inviting me to be among you.

    I congratulate you for holding this conference, and join you in your prayers for freedom for the entire Kurdish people.