Nov 29 2006

Two New Sites Were Contaminated?

I posted earlier that the two latest sites suspected of contamination were clean (the Sheraton Park Lane and 58 Grosvenor Street), which cleaned up the timeline and made it possible for the Sushi Bar where Litvinenko met Scaramelle to be the original source of the contamination. Well now it seems there are reports going the other way and contamination was indeed found at those two sites, now making it highly unlikely the contamination originated at the Sushi Bar (not enough time from the Sushi Bar to fit in these two sites and a visit to Berezovsky’s office). The time line is key to unravel the trail. Stay tuned – more later this evening.

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40 Responses to “Two New Sites Were Contaminated?”

  1. Lizarde1 says:

    Regarding the timeline: It is starting to seem more and more likely that he ingested the stuff AFTER the Sushi bar – and that he was carrying the stuff around on his person somehow for hours before. The Times of London reports Nov 26, symptoms of polonium-210 poisoning “including vomiting begin to appear an hour or so after” and since he went to the hospital with symptoms after going home and after the Sushi bar – it doesn’t seem as if there is enough time for all the meetings and running around after the lunch before he became ill – wasn’t he supposed to be meeting with someone until 6 pm.? Also I heard on the news last night that he himself suggested radiation poisoning on the phone before he died with a news reporter (sorry, can’t remember details of the report).

  2. Sue says:

    I saw that report last night. They called it prophetic that he diagnosed his own illness.

  3. Lizarde1 says:

    Sue – work accident? Also wondering if there is another victim/s somewhere who did not go to the hospital?

  4. Sue says:

    I have no idea. I find it odd he was able to tell the doctors what was wrong with him. I doubt it was a lucky guess.

  5. crosspatch says:

    Hair falling out is a good clue. He probably had military training during the cold war and would have been trained in the symptoms of radiation poisoning. I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that he was able to figure it out. Loss of hair, loss of bone marrow, loss of white cells … it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to reach the radiation poisoning conclusion.

  6. kathie says:

    I thought this was interesting, wonder if related.

    Former Russian PM says hit by mystery illness: FT
    Reuters, by Staff

    Original Article

    Posted By:NorthernDog, 11/29/2006 12:16:53 AM

    LONDON – Yegor Gaidar, a former Russian prime minister, told the Financial Times he suffered a sudden, serious illness last week on a visit to Ireland. The mystery ailment struck a day after former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died in a London hospital from radiation poisoning. There was no indication that radiation had been the cause of Gaidar’s sickness, the newspaper said on Wednesday.

  7. Lizarde1 says:

    gossip seems to be that it could be related (I doubt it but who knows)
    The collapse in Co Kildare of a former acting Russian prime minister at the weekend has been linked to the death of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB spy, who died in London from radiation poisoning last week.

    Yegor Gaidar (50), considered a chief architect of Russia’s early market reforms, collapsed on Saturday at a conference on Irish-Russian relations at the National University of Ireland in Maynooth.

    Mr Gaidar was presenting his book Death of the Empire.

    He was brought to hospital in Dublin with a mystery illness. His daughter, Maria, said doctors were unable to provide a diagnosis for symptoms which included loss of consciousness and nose bleeds.

    One of Mr Gaidar’s associates believes the illness may have been inflicted on him deliberately.

  8. TomAnon says:

    I keep thinking Litvenenko was a test run for a new style of suicide bomber.

  9. crosspatch says:

    I am thinking the same thing, Tom. See, here’s the problem … there just isn’t a lot of that stuff made in the world. The UK has one reactor that produces it. Russia exports 6 to 8 grams a month and all of that goes to the US. Any diversion of material from Russia, the UK, or the US would be noticed because of the small quantities involved. It could be produced in reasonable quantity in Iran or Pakistan. I don’t trust the security surrounding the nuclear programs in those countries. Iran would have a material interest in supplying such stuff to terrorists. In other words, they have the motive, the opportunity, and the means.

    Did Iran possibly do this in order to speed up a weapons deal with Russia? Seems kinda interesting that about the same time this guy comes down with radiation poisoning, Iran gets some new air defense missiles.

    But what I really suspect is that this was a demonstration that is part of a threat or ultimatum that has been issued to the west by some terrorist group. For example: “Get Israel out of Gaza now or we are going to unleash a terror like you have never experianced on London” and then they poison this guy to demonstrate that they have the means to do it.

  10. Lizarde1 says:

    this is really getting more and more convoluted
    Alex Goldfarb, a Litvinenko associate in London, said Andrei Lugovoy, a Russian businessman who met Litvinenko the day before he fell ill, (at the Millenium either early a.m. or after the Sushi bar depending on the source) worked as Gaidar’s (the sick guy – my words) head of security in the early 1990s. Lugovoy has said he had nothing to do with Litvinenko’s death.

  11. TomAnon says:

    Yes, Crosspatch try this on. See polunium is very easy to trace as we can now clearly see every where Litvinenko went before he died. Also, we see how quick it took the public health services to react. We know how long he stayed in each spot to leave enough behind to “infect” others. The media and others do the tracking and research for the attackers. Did he die on a timeline comparable to being infected with this?

    See some vicious bioweapon will kill the host before he/she can infect to many others. Some research is needed by the attackers to see just how many sucide bombers they need to wipe out a city if each where infected with such an agent.

  12. Lizarde1 says:

    oh great – British airways has found trace of this stuff on two or three of their planes – per Fox just now

  13. clarice says:

    Fox is reporting this:”British Airways Grounds 3 767s to Check for Plutonium”

  14. crosspatch says:

    Plutonium or polonium?

  15. Lizarde1 says:

    only radiation per Reuters

  16. crosspatch says:

    Initial Reuters article here

  17. Lizarde1 says:

    per Fox the flights were between Nov 3 and Nov 8 (not sure of the last date) so AFTER the hospitalization of Litvinenko

  18. crosspatch says:

    Two of the planes are at Heathrow, one is in Moscow. The Moscow plane has not been tested yet according to Reuters and Fox.

  19. Lizarde1 says:

    BA saying per Fox it is focusing on the London Moscow London route

  20. Lizarde1 says:

    the movements of two individuals from the Millenium meeting being looked into per Fox – unnamed but here are the three guys names: Kovtin (sp:) Lugovoy, Sokolenko (sp).