Nov 13 2006
Democrats Act To Surrender Quickly To Al Qaeda
Update: Iran Says Israel’s destruction near. We need to hear from the Dem Congressional Leaders on this threat to our ally. And we need to hear now, before Iran assumes the Democrats really want Israel wiped off the map. And why would they get that idea? Clarice Feldman explains how.
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OK, I must be living on a different planet because I never thought the Democrats would be so stupid as to go out and do all those terrible things people predicted they would do – but the are. The first terrible move is to call for troop reductions in Iraq. Troop reductions have been big losers in Senate votes, the latest just this past June. And there has been no public support [new] for a surrender to Al Qaeda in Iraq [new]. None. So why the dems are pushing this subject now is an interesting issue.
This is bad on so many fronts for the Dems it is hard to fathom if any logic is being applied at all. First off you have the Lieberman factor. He owes the Democrats absolutely nothing and his top priority is success in Iraq. Now we hear that Lieberman is flexing his new power (as the 2nd most powerful person in the country right now):
Sen. Joe Lieberman on Sunday repeated his pledge to caucus with Senate Democrats when the 110th Congress convenes in January, but refused to slam the door on possibly moving to the Republican side of the aisle.
Asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” if he might follow the example of Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont, who left the Republicans in 2001 and became an independent, ending Republican control of the U.S. Senate, Lieberman refused to discount the possibility.
“I’m not ruling it out but I hope I don’t get to that point,” he said. “And I must say — and with all respect to the Republicans who supported me in Connecticut — nobody ever said, ‘We’re doing this because we want you to switch over. We want you to do what you think is right and good for our state and country,’ and I appreciate that.”
It seems the battle inside the Democrat party is just beginning. The old dog liberal democrats are trying to grab power. But in their effort to grab it, it may just slip away. Who knows, but I think they are over reaching. I have not seen any polls [see first ‘new’ link above for poll data], but the country is watching to see if the Dems defy or embrace all the negative predictions that the conservatives put out on what the Dems would do if elected. Stunningly, they seem to be embracing the worst of the predictions.
Surrendering to Al Qaeda in Iraq is probably the worse move. We still have our soldiers there, in country, trying to help Iraq stay afloat. These signals are just the worse thing to be sending to all sides in that conflict. While Democrats see Vietnam, the rest of the country still sees 9-11 heros. I doubt this will play well. Recall that Iraq was the fourth most important issue ini exit polls, so a rapid surrender is not higher on the people’s list than terrorism, the economy – and corruption.
And the House dems seem to be going full throttle into the corruption tank by looking to experienced, corrupt pols to be leaders. Now that is ambition. Don Surber did an excellent overview of the scandal riddent Dems riding into town to claim their share. $100K in illicit money is not enough to get in the way of Democrat morals. But that is only part of the issue. The new blood of moderate Dems coming into the Congress seem to have either shaken the liberal leaders to the core, or they are still too taken by Bush Derangement Syndrome to comprehend what they are doing. By example, Jane Harman is one tough, seasoned moderate who cares about this country and its security – and she just got the liberal royal shaft by those liberal morals we now see on display. It is not about what is best for the country. It seems all of Grandma Pelosi’s actions are about personal revenge. Pathetic.
Actually, what is truly pathetic is the Democrats still think they can put lipstick on their pig-headed plans to surrender to Al Qaeda. They think Americans are going to embrace the democrats near panic to retreat because they have some ex-marine to play cover for their surrender plans:
But in her first real decision as the incoming speaker, Pelosi said she was swayed by Murtha’s early stance for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. Her letter of endorsement yesterday made clear that she sees Iraq as the central issue of the next Congress and that she believes a decorated Marine combat veteran at the helm of the House caucus would provide Democrats ammunition in their fight against congressional Republicans and President Bush on the issue.
“I salute your courageous leadership that changed the national debate and helped make Iraq the central issue of this historic election. It was surely a dark day for the Bush Administration when you spoke truth to power,” she wrote. “Your strong voice for national security, the war on terror and Iraq provides genuine leadership for our party, and I count on you to lead on these vital issues.”
Yep, they are speaking to power (Al Qaeda) and saying ‘you win’. That’s a democrat’s definition of courage – to bravely slink away and then have a parade marking the successful retreat.
The Dems are in serious trouble here. They are playing a classic Neville Chamberlain to Bin Laden’s version of Hitler. Except that in this modern day, we have the record of Chamberlain’s mistakes to compare against. And we have the responses of Al Qaeda to the news the Democrats are riding to the rescue – ready to retreat and give the field of battle to our enemies. Last century the people of Britain and Europe did not have the insight we have today, but that will not ensure we do not repeat history. It may only allow us to see this disaster pan out in real time. These acts of appeasement will not satiate our enemies’ lust for land and power.
As I noted before, the terrorists are planning now to go on the offensive. They need to build momentum in the Muslim world to enhance their image as the ones who brought down the Great Satan. They need to grab as much of their Caliphate as possible before the West realizes the mistake we just made. This is from the terrorists’ viewpoint, so don’t expect the Dems to have a clue on this. If they did, we wouldn’t be seeing these early, unforced errors by the Dems. Al Qaeda has mobilized 12,000 fighters and redeployed them. We see them coming back into Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan from Afgahnistan – and possibly Iraq. So what is the possible plan?
First, Al Qaeda needs to sow the seeds of doubt in Europe and Australia (and possibly Canada). They need to attack there so the people in those countries pull a Spain like America just did (elect the Surrenderers-in-Chief). Second, the democracies or pro-West nations in the ME need to be toppled or, at least, distracted. That means Lebanon is a target [new] for toppling the still weak government [new] there. This would allow Syria, Iran and Hamas Hizbollah to begin round two of their campaign on Israel from Southern Lebanon. The other big target now is Pakistan. The fastest path to the Islamo-fascist’s nuclear bomb is taking over Pakistan [new]. That is the number one strategic goal, while eliminating Israel is more a political goal.
Sadly, it will be a Democrat Congress that brings civil war to Iraq – and Turkey. The one force out there still very pro-West and still very potent are the Kurds. They will be target number one – but I am not sure how this will play out. The Kurds are fierce fighters and will not abide the coming tide. But every time they consolidate some power Turkey gets the jitters. Turkey might be able to finally fulfill its NATO role as the defender of Europe’s southern flank. They could ally with the Kurds and hold northern Iraq and do some serious damage in northern Iran (the other Kurdish region). Or they could fold to the Islamo-fascist forces that are roiling Turkey. That is another battlefield that could open up on us.
The Democrats, in the myopic fit, are releasing the pressure we have been applying to the region so that things would not begin spiralling out of control. But just like Chamberlain actually freed up Hitler to start is putsch on Europe, so will the Democrats. This is a different kind of war from WW II, so signals are sent in a different way. But they are there. AQ knows they have a small window to act in to gain as much ground as possible. The question is do they think that window is open now or not. It is hard to tell. If the Dems keep doing their Chamberlain-role my guess is the terrorists will accelerate their efforts. America has always been the big problem. Our military is so strong and can project anywhere that the terrorists know only political will can stay our hand. But a wave of attacks followed by inept statements by Dems could backfire on the terrorists. My fear is the terrorists are as myopic as the Dems seem to be and will go full throttle to bring on the pending war. As has been said, more attacks were inevitable. But many of us hoped they would be last ditch efforts of a dying movement. The Democrats have lit the fires of hope again in our enemies, and the next attacks will now be an offensive effort.
Pelosi backs Murtha for House Majority Leader…
Playing the absolute moral authority card. Via the WaPo:
House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) endorsed Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) yesterday as the next House majority leader, thereby stepping into a contentious intraparty fight between Murtha a…
I believe that your predictions will come true.
Perhaps this would end up being the best thing it could happen. By forcing more Americans to face up to the fact that we are indeed fighting against war on terrorism and seriously reconsider their votes for ’08. Will it be too late by then? Maybe. I hope not.
Sure wish the voters have a way to petition the impeachment of many of these old dog democrats…
Perhaps it might be a good idea not to renew Bolton’s UN appointment in this case?
Robert Dreyfuss was just on CSPAN, and if he is an example of the democrats, the only decision left on Iraq is how many white flags do we send over there and which state in the US do we designate for the next terrorist battleground.
My expectation is that the terrorists and the newpapers are gonna be pushing very hard for an early surrender in Iraq. The pressure from the press is going to put a lot of focus on the Dems and I think they will make their big moves very soon. Much to soon for them to be successful.
But one factor is that no matter how badly they blunder, the press will make them all look like victims of the terrible Repubs.
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And the House dems seem to be going full throttle into the corruption tank by looking to experienced, corrupt pols to be leaders.
And I think, AJ, that this could be their undoing. I would like to think that Alberto Gonzales has been silently putting together stacks of draft indictments on every Dem in Congress who can be prosecuted at the Federal Level as well as coordinating behind the scenes with receptive state and local prosecutors. The list is long. As one of your readers has noted on several occasions, Reid’s shenanigans alone could keep prosecutors at the Federal and state level busy for years.
Every time the Dems make noises about subpoenas and “oversight” hearings, Bush should meet with the leaders behind closed doors and say “if you pursue this, here’s what you’re going to get in return”. Time for a little tit for tat. No public threats, just pure, old-fashioned political hardball.
Just my 2 cents worth — probably won’t happen. Even if it does happen the way I envision, we wouldn’t know about it, other than that a lot of what we fear the Donks will do just simply won’t materialize.
Retired Spook,
I am not banking on the Dems overreaching. They are wiley politicos. They will find ways to paint this in a way that is acceptable to the American people for a while, I fear. And I doubt Gonzales would divert his limited resources now monitoring terrorist attacks to go after the Dems.
I am not banking on the Dems overreaching.
I think you’re whistling past the graveyard, but we’ll see. Personally, I don’t think they’ll be able to help themselves — it’s just who they are.
I agree with Enforcement that the media and Kossacks will be constantly putting the pressure on the Dem leadership to get out quickly. Not only will this give the AQs/Iranians a significant victory for their followers it will cause the EU to completely abandon Israel to it’s fate. The EU will try to sacrifice the Israeli nation to save itself.
So as the Dems ‘protect the troops’ and march on to their ‘new way forward’ they will bring upon the world the war they are so desperate to avoid.
I know it is an old rotten cliche but history does have lessons to teach us about appeasement. It never works. Ever. If you keep giving the bully your lunch money he will keep asking for it. Let’s hope the Dems wake up before there are glowing embers in the ME. Scary times. Very scary.
This sentence from the story about the sub stalking the Kitty Hawk.
According to the defense officials, the Chinese Song-class diesel-powered attack submarine shadowed the Kitty Hawk undetected and surfaced within five miles of the carrier Oct. 26.
The surfaced submarine was spotted by a routine surveillance flight by one of the carrier group’s planes. The Kitty Hawk battle group includes an attack submarine and anti-submarine helicopters that are charged with protecting the warships from submarine attack.
Just who the hell are they trying to fool?
It shadowed it ‘undetected’? Then how do they know it shadowed it?
The US tracks all enemy subs all the time. They knew where that sub was.
A diesel sub travels slowly, 10-15 knots. A Carrier group almost never travels less than 18 knots. So just how did it keep up with it?
The Navy of course will not dispute this story because it would give away secrets, but just what is the point of this story.
It has to be the formerly MSM trying to make the US military look bad, I can think of no other reason.
It has to be the formerly MSM trying to make the US military look bad, I can think of no other reason.
Wouldn’t be the first time, would it?
I agree with Limerick — some potentially scary times ahead. We’re going to look back at this election as one of those “be careful what you wish for” times in American history. And I’m not talking about most who post here. I’m referring to the KOS, DU, lunitic, leftist, impeach Bush fringe — the ones who think they WON. The last 4-5 years of steady economic growth, no terrorist attacks on American soil, low unemployment, low interest rates, surging stock market — all that’s in jeopardy now.
Retired Spook,
I think you missed my point. I am not going to assume they will overreach. Right now they seem to be overreaching all over the place. I am just not going to sit back and assume they will self destruct.
Ho ho ho, Strata is not only a bad election prognosticator he’s an equally bad strategist and reader of political reality.
Let’s start with the fact he supports Jane Harman , a pro-abortion, pro gun control ardent Zionist, over an anti-abortion, pro gun rights conservative (Murtha) who also has many more military ties and who realizes Iraq is lost to America.
Let’s continue with his childishly repeated “surrender Iraq to Al Qaeda” meme, when no military analyst says al Qaeda can take over Iraq if we leave and most say the native Iraqis can clean them out
better after we do.
Let’s reach a climax by saying it is Strata, not the Democrats who is trying to portray Iraq as a perfumed pig when it’s the greatest foreign policy failure of modern times and doomed.
You’ve heard of dumb and dumber? With Iraq it’s “worse and worser.” There is no good outcome for America, stay or go, but the sooner we cut losses and the more thoroughly, the less we lose.
The public supports a methodical pull out, disagreeing perhaps on only the increments and timing. Deal with it Strata. Accept the
verdict of a failed war built on lies–that’s how the public rightly sees it, despite your shadings, and you can’t build a war on profound public mistrust. Try to ,and you’ll get defeat in Iraq exacerbated
by Vietnam-era polarization at home at the worst time possible.
The worst time? Yes, as Buchanan explained on the Durge Report
last nite, we are talking Hispanic invasion! We need unity on that
as never before. We need to protect America’s border, not Israel’s.
Ken, that is about the most incoherent babble you have posted yet.
“The public supports a methodical pull out, disagreeing perhaps on only the increments and timing.”
The public supports a victory prior to the pullout. They are only unhappy that we are not acheiving victory fast enough.
You may be happy there in France now, but you are not gonna be happy with the results if Cut and Run Murtha gets his way
Just who the hell are they trying to fool? It shadowed it ‘undetected’? Then how do they know it shadowed it?
FE, I had exactly the same reaction. A retired Navy spook friend of mine e-mailed me the article about the incident this morning. The Song class sub has a top submerged speed of 22 kts, so it would have to be bustin’ ass to shadow a carrier group cruising at, say 20 kts. The part of the article that jumped off the page was this:
A Pacific Command spokesman declined to comment on the incident, saying details were classified. (yeah, I’ll bet they are.)
Pentagon spokesmen also declined to comment. (yeah, I’ll bet they did.)
AJ, I guess I STILL miss your point. You’re “not assuming they will overreach but right now they are overreaching all over the place”, and you’re “not assuming they will self-destruct”. Ya lost me.
Henry (nostrilitis) Waxman is already saying he doesn’t need no stinkin’ subpeonas unless someone refuses to testify, and there is so much corruption and illegal activity, he doesn’t even know where to start. Sounds like self-destruction to me.
Ken,
I was right in most of the races I picked. And I was right Bin Laden would be jumping for joy with a Dem victory. You best hope I am not right any more – or your beloved liberals will be getting a toasting of their own .
The poll I heard about said that two thirds of the country are “concerned” that the Democrats will cut and run from Iraq and do not support a complete withdrawal and two thirds are also “concerned” they will not fight the war on Terror. Too bad more of those concerned people didn’t vote.
I have been wondering, short of cutting off the money how can the Democrats force a pull out?
They lack the constitutional authority to over ride the Commander in Chief.
And besides, Maliki is reminding people that we are obligated by UN mandate to stay until Iraq can stand alone.
I wonder if the Democrats can deliver and if they can what will the conservatives and moderates do about it? I know Brad Ellsworth said he did not support just pulling all the troops out. How will the new Democrats explain it to their constituents if the first thing they do is break a promise to them?
Terrye,
That poll is one of the ‘new’ links up top in the post.
How will the new Democrats explain it to their constituents if the first thing they do is break a promise to them?
Terrye, is that a rhetorical question? Their constituents have from 2 to 6 years to forget about a broken promise this early in the game. Besides, when did promises ever mean anything to a politician, particularly a Democrat politician?
For Enforcement
The public does not believe “victory” is possible. A bevy of polls
demonstrate this very clearly. It favors Murtha’s redeployment
tack, disagreeing only on the amount of troops and the timing thereof.
I hasten to say Murtha’s stand, an improvement , doesn’t go far enough for me, as I am for redeploying a good many to the Rio Grande and getting all out of the Mideast, where our pro-Israel policy is doomed.
FE, an additional piece of info on the Chinese sub. GlobalSecurity had this to say about the Song Class:
They are a great advance on the Type 035, but are said to be a less than satisfactory design. Problems reportedly include excessive noise radiation and systems integration difficulties. (emphasis – mine)