Apr 07 2006

America Has No Stomach For Mass Deportation

Published by at 8:48 am under All General Discussions

I think we can stick a fork in the idea of mass deportation of people in this country who are working, but simply lack the proper paperwork.  Paperwork crimes do not carry punishments like being thrown out of your home, school, church and job and dumped unemployed and without housing in the street across our border.    So this new poll is no real surprise:

By eight-to-one, Americans think it is unfair to grant rights to illegal immigrants while thousands of people wait each year to come to the United States legally. Fully 86 percent of Republicans think it is unfair, as do 77 percent of Democrats.

However, once illegal immigrants are across the border, Americans turn around a little. More than two-thirds (69 percent) favor allowing illegals who have jobs already to apply for legal, temporary-worker status, up from 62 percent last year (April 2005).

There are lots of conflicting numbers (since this is a conflicted and complex issue), but it is clear most of us still see immigrants as people trying to make a living with the occasional bad apple.  What I want now is a new ‘one strike your out’ law on violent crimes.

10 responses so far

10 Responses to “America Has No Stomach For Mass Deportation”

  1. bloodyspartan says:

    I am not so sure but if something really bad happens and many Americans die this will change.

    If we had any real leaders with a pair and intellect it could be done.
    After all it is not us who are breaking the law but them.

    With proper leadership this would not be as hard as you state.
    Although the media would be the bigger problem.

    America has turned from a can do country to one who ” CAN”T”

  2. Retired Spook says:

    people in this country who are working, but simply lack the proper paperwork.

    I know you’ve said this before, AJ, and it’s one of the few things I’ve read since I discovered your blog a couple months ago that I disagree with. I don’t view someone who cuts in line at a movie or concert and then sneaks in without a ticket as simply “lacking the proper paperwork”. Unlike some of your other readers, however, I respect you opinion, and I do agree that mass, short-term deportation of 11 or 12 million people probably isn’t a viable part of any solution. However, when you see statistics like 90% of the outstanding bench warrants in California are for illegals, it’s not hard to see that there are quite a few that need to be deported. At the same time, stopping, or at least slowing the tidal wave of illegals coming across the border is an absolute must.

    Mac Johnson, who writes a column for “Human Events”, had an interesting piece in “The American Thinker” yesterday. One of his more salient points is this:

    The 11 million fraudulent immigrants in question snuck into America by ones and threes and tens over a period of government neglect lasting more than twenty years. Why do you think they must all be made to leave in just one day? Or even in just one year? Yes, fixing the problem will take a while – just as allowing it to reach proportions this ridiculous and burdensome also took quite a while.

    The important thing is that we get started.

    I would start with all those in jails on welfare rolls. The Democrats not only don’t want to even do that — they want those people to be able to vote.

  3. bloodyspartan says:

    I have a question.
    How accurate is this 11 million figure everyone bandies about?

    I mean if I count about 200-300 migrant workers in farmngville during the day and not counting how many have received work for the day invisible.
    Do we really know.

    Is this figure realistic. I am thinking it could be double that.

  4. wickedpinto says:

    Not having the proper paperwork can keep you from getting a house, keep you from getting a job, keep you from recieving sacrements and in this case, it could keep you from crossing the border in the first place.

    If you don’t own the house, but you move in, thats a crime.
    If you lie on your application, you can be charged with fraud, and if that job you got, after filling out a fraudulent application, requires a security clearance, or is of sufficient standing, then that could be a serious crime.
    If you accept the sacrements without meeting the requirements you can be damned to hell due to rules of heresy (this is prolly the worst punishment of the various “non document” actions)
    and if you cross the border without the right paperwork? your ass gets sent back.

  5. Snapple says:

    Rep. Weldon was on FOX discussing illegal immigration.

    He said that people should not be rewarded for coming in illegally.
    He said he had constituents who did it the legal way.
    He said that the employers should also be arrested for breaking the law–one of my points.
    He said illegals should go home and apply for the guest worker status.

    I guess we will need a fence. I hate how that seems, but since people on both sides don’t respect the legal process, perhaps it is necessary.

    I think that if people come in under a guest worker program they will just disappear into America.

    If we all had smart identity cards with retina scans then it would help. We all need to prove our citizenship or legal status when we get a job, not just people who appear Hispanic.

  6. wickedpinto says:

    Snapple I agree with everything EXCEPT the “go home before applying” I’m VERY sympathetic.

    However, You must basicaly accept an effort of sysiphus (spelling) if you want to STAY in the US when you have stayed here illegaly. NEVER will YOU! the indivual proffit from the federal system, but YOU may stay, and your CHILDREN, and your WIFE/husband, may be immune from prosecution. Your children are WELCOME in America, but there is nothing wrong with punishing YOU! while in America. NO SS, No tax breaks, No NOTHING, until you have managed to overcome the 11 year requirements of citizenship.

    If the illegals are here for altruistic reasons? (many of them are, I know more than a couple) then, they will accept this, and take pride in the fact that while THEY broke the covenant? their children, and family in general might prosper. That, HILLARY you religitard! is the BASIS of the good sumaritan.

  7. wickedpinto says:

    One more thing, I visit the environment of 2 of those people I know are Illegals, often enough that I noticed something. On the day of the first demonstration, the mother, (not illegal,but her eldest son is) had her sons carry with them at all times during that day, American flags.

    This is the family dymanic. Father, illegal, eldest son, (step) illegal, youngest son legal, daughter (newborn) legal, and Mother? American. On the day of the first protests, (I think. . . last tuesday?) these kids were in their yard playing soccer (not football, cuz this is America) and the young boy, name redacted, scored a goal on the eldest boy, he then ran to the rail of their porch, took off the small american flag that was hanging there, and he ran around the yard. That is 100% no shit. I wanted to cry after all of my angry immigration comments on other blogs, but then I realized, I shouldn’t appologize, I should be thankful, that it IS true that 1st gen’s can be American Despite what the Californian anti-American Sluts can say.

  8. wickedpinto says:

    DAMN! I closed the comment too soon.

    Well, anyways, the Eldest son, who I think is, or will be legal now, thanks to some creative “document loss” is EAGER to go to a military accademy (highschool) because he doesn’t want to be a doctor, a politician, President, stock broker or any of that jazz, he wants to be a Naval Officer, he wants to “know how to drive a boat, like a minesweeper.

    I have NO problem with immigration, as long as the end result is more AMERICANS! but if it just leads to more mexicans who work in America? F them.

  9. Retired Spook says:

    I have NO problem with immigration, as long as the end result is more AMERICANS! but if it just leads to more mexicans who work in America? F them.

    WP, very well put. I think a lot of us feel the same way.

  10. Retired Spook says:

    The following letter to the editor appeared in the Fort Wayne, IN “Journal Gazette” on Sunday, 4/9 under the title KEEP LAWBREAKERS BECAUSE THEY WORK?:

    Recently, large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is – FINALLY – addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the U.S. might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

    Let’s say I break into your house. Let’s say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

    “But,” I say, “I’ve made all the beds, washed the dishes, done the laundry and swept the floors; I’ve done all the things you don’t like to do. I’m hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

    According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family’s insurance plan and provide other benefits to me and my family (my husband will do your yardwork because, he, too, is hard-working and honest, (except for that breaking-in part).

    If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there. It’s only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I’m just trying to better myself. I’m hard-working and honest – um, except for – well, you know.

    And what a deal it is for me. I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there’s nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being anti-housebreaker.

    Did I miss anything? Does this sound reasonable to you?

    If it does, grab a sign and go picket something.

    If this sounds insane to to you, call your senators and enlighten them because they are stumbling in the darkness right now and really need your help. LINDA MYERS, Fort Wayne, IN

    I think Ms. Myers makes an excellent point.