Mar 15 2010

So America – How Easy Are You To Dupe?

Published by at 6:54 am under All General Discussions,Obamacare

Liberals in DC are now banking that they are smarter than everyone else in the country, with their latest fictional show and political shell game:

Shortly before midnight on Sunday, Democrats released a 2,309 page health care bill that will start the process of reconciliation — but don’t let that fool you, it’s not the actual reconciliation bill with all the changes you’ve been reading about. Instead, as Rep. Paul Ryan, the ranking Republican member on the Budget Committee, explained to me last week, this is just the “shell” bill — the vehicle that Democrats need to get moving on health care. Once the bill gets approved (likely Monday), Democrats will send this phantom bill over to the Rules Committee, where it will be stripped, and then they’ll insert in all of the actual changes that they’ve negotiated.

See, they will pretend they have shown the country and congress what will be voted on and passed into law, but it really is a prop – a false impression. Somehow I don’t get the feeling a real democracy should be run by pretending to vote on one set of laws and then having a small group commit a coupe d’etat and slip in their own preferred version. That is not the ‘law of the land’ I grew up to admire in this country.

17 responses so far

17 Responses to “So America – How Easy Are You To Dupe?”

  1. tarpon says:

    Nothing like throwing out everything in the Constitutional rule book to imprison America.

    Maybe this is why native born citizen means both your parents are citizens of the USA. Otherwise, you could wind up with Kenyan health care.

  2. ivehadit says:

    One thing being ignored is the fact that Social Security is now calling in it’s IOU’s from the federal government to the tune of $29 billion dollars. For the first time in history social security is paying out more than it takes in.

    Social Security funds belongs to the employees and their employers that put the money away for said employees retirements. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S MONEY. And secondly, any investment group that returned a TWO PERCENT return when the S&P was earning nearly 10% per year since 1928 (any 15 year rolling average, I believe) would be sued for malpractice.

    If this healthcare bill passes, the next statement we will hear from this WH is that we need to cut social security to those who don’t need it. And other programs that benefit traditional Americans will “need to be cut”. Read: WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION.

    I and my employers have put in $122,000+ for my retirement. I want my money.

    Where does congress get off borrowing MY MONEY? Where is the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY that so much of our investment REGULATIONS require? (Lot of good “government regulations” do!)

    “We are 5 days away from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming America”.
    -barack obama, 2008

    How appropriate today.

  3. lurker9876 says:

    Some conservatives are already thinking that if they take the Slaughter solution, then we will not need to meet the requirements for overriding Obama’s veto but rather require 51 votes, instead of 67 votes and 290 votes.

    That is, if nobody takes them up before SCOTU.

  4. lurker9876 says:

    The progressives always thought that our money belongs to them.

    Remember what Bill Clinton said…something about us not being able to better manage our money but rather his own government is smarter in managing our own money so he’d rather take more out of our own pocket.

    Amazing how people continues to LOVE Bill Clinton to this very day.

  5. lurker9876 says:

    I understand that the Senate bill has a clause that makes itself “NON-repealable”.

    I say, “If you take the Slaughter approach, then we have every right to repeal it with a new Slaughter approach, which is to override Obama’s veto with 51 votes and simple majority in the House.”

  6. Redteam says:

    While this is distressing, I’m not gonna give up hope that there are enough people in this country that believe the US Constitution should be upheld that if they use this illegal method to pass a law, the Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional and they will be branded the LOSERS that they are.

  7. Redteam says:

    If a law is passed, it can be amended, repealed, or overturned.

    This “non-repeal able’ is just a scare tactic. can’t happen.

  8. owl says:

    How easy to dupe? Each year it became easier because folks like Joe the Plumber became embarrassed to speak out against these smart elites. Not PC to question why we have a Congressional BLACK C. and not a WHITE. It is just the obvious, in-your-face reverse racism that we have been told is not so.

    That’s the problem. We have to starve people off land they have worked for decades to save a minnow. We have to pay the high fuel cost because somehow it is more noble to hurt the struggling
    worker than to drill or build. We have to continue to pay real idiots to teach our children because of Unions.

    We have signed a suicide pact. GWB understood on 9/11. He found his Texas roots. MSM told people everyday for 8 years the most outrageous lies about him until even the halfway sane ones on our side …………forgot that most was lies.

    MSM gave us Obama along with all the rest of the above. We were all just fat and happy to shut up and go along for the ride. Life was good so go along to get along. Look at how long it took Pug Congress.

    Okay, back to the phones. They just need the door cracked open.

  9. AJ,

    Read this and deeply consider it.

    There is no such thing as a moderate political center in America anymore.

    There is the monolythic Left, which owns the Democratic Party brand, and there is everyone else.

    See below from Peter Beinart:

    Democrats, Forever Changed

    by Peter Beinart
    March 15, 2010

    Whether health care reform passes or not, Obama has embraced polarization over triangulation. He has chosen Karl Rove’s politics of base mobilization over Dick Morris’s politics of crossover appeal, with consequences not merely for how he campaigns for Democrats in 2010, but for he campaigns for himself in 2012. And that’s a disaster for “don’t scare the bear” Democrats whether Obamacare passes or not. The reason is that the DLC wing of the party is much more top-down than the MoveOn wing. It has always wielded influence primarily through elected leaders rather than grassroots activists. But today, Obama is the only leader in the Democratic Party who really matters. As the retirement of Evan Bayh illustrates, there are few nationally prominent DLC-aligned politicians left. (The one person who could have rallied that faction of the party against Obama is now his secretary of state). The DLC wing’s best hope for relevance, therefore, was that Obama himself would restrain the party’s base, that his White House would nurture a new generation of centrist candidates.

    That hope is now gone. From top to bottom, Democrats have decided to bet the party’s future on the belief that Americans prefer bold liberals to cautious ones. Now it’s up to the bear.

  10. oneal lane says:

    I am trying to boil down what is happening this week.

    My understanding is the a majority (216) house vote secures Obamacare. Obama signs it and its a done deal.

    The “Slaughter Rule” and “Reconciliation” are not necessary, yet the blogs and news sites are full of articles about the Slaughter attempt and Reconciliation etc.

    Lacking votes for an up or down vote, they must be or they would be voting today (Monday), are the house Dems still looking at the Slaughter attempt? The Senate Parlimentarian last week told the house such an attempt would not pass muster.

    Whats going on?

  11. AJStrata says:


    Reality is not defined by the daily beast!

    Get a grip man.

  12. lurker9876 says:

    Actually, “Daily Beast” links to the original article, published elsewhere.

    I believe that Peter’s article is published at NRO or something.

    oneal lane, many House Democrats do not want the Senate Bill to become the “law of the land”. They are being promised by Pelosi and her cohorts that the Senate will agree to the reconciliation process so that they can get the public option and abortion funding added to the “amended” bill.

    But many House Democrats do not want to vote for the Senate bill as they are wary and leery of those promises.

  13. dbostan says:

    Impeachment time is coming…

  14. ivehadit says:

    Just heard a banker on Kudlow Report say that Government regulators are “telling” them WHERE and TO WHOM they can make loans.

    And if anyone thinks healthcare isn’t going to be regulated IN THE SAME WAY, they are fools.

    NOBODY is talking about the politicization by DEMOCRATS of our healthcare system. Get ready for it!

    “We are five days away from fundamentally changing America.” b.h.o., 2008
    WAKE UP AMERICA! Yes, I am yelling!

  15. cochino says:

    I have mixed feelings about all of this. This country has been on a course for a long time now; a trip that has been virtually uninterrupted for 80 years or more. Conservatives took our eyes off of the ball. Maybe we never knew there was a ball. Modern liberalism has made little secret of its contempt for the Constitution for a long time, now. If the Democrats were to go ahead and pass this bill and in this manner, it’s the ultimate “bird” to the Constitution and the values upon which this country was founded. You see, liberals always talk about the “living, breathing” Constitution, how it has to change and grow with the times. They’ve created a judicial philosophy with this as a cornerstone, but it just boils down to their wanting the changes they want and their willingness to achieve it through any means they think they can get away with. No “rules” are going to stand in the way. So, now, the mask is off.

    I’m pretty fatalistic about all of this because I think the American people are too far down the road of dependency, but part of me wants to just get this on. Let’s do it. Old Nancy’s making a lot of noise about this being a “first step”, that there is a lot more legislation to follow, and that they want to have this ideological battle with Republicans about the role of government. Let the Democrats take their best shot. If the future has to be now, then so be it.

  16. >Reality is not defined by the daily beast!
    >Get a grip man.


    Reality is being defined by those who hold power and are “Rahming” a leftist takeover of 1/6th of our economy down our throats.

  17. AJ,

    See below from Byron York, writing in The Examiner:

    If you have any doubt that the Democratic leadership of the House views passing the current health care reform bill as the beginning, not the end, of the process of creating a national government health care system, just note what Speaker Nancy Pelosi told a group of bloggers on Monday. “My biggest fight has been between those who wanted to do something incremental and those who wanted to do something comprehensive,” Pelosi said, according to an account by Washington Post reform advocate Ezra Klein. “We won that fight, and once we kick through this door, there’ll be more legislation to follow.”

    But since the current bill is unpopular, and Pelosi at the moment does not have enough Democratic, much less Republican, votes to pass it, the door she will be kicking through is the back door. Pelosi told the bloggers she favors using the “self-executing rule” strategy in which the House would pass the Senate health care bill without going on the record as specifically voting for it. “I like it,” Pelosi said of the scheme, “because people don’t have to vote on the Senate bill.” The strategy of passing the Senate bill while avoiding a direct vote, writes Klein, “is all about plausible deniability for House members who don’t want to vote for the Senate bill.”

    I repeat, it is the American hard left versus everyone else.