Apr 17 2009

Conservatives Fail To Engage Brain Before Emoting On DHS Report

Well, as an ex-conservative I can see I jumped the sinking ship just in time. A key issue with the DHS report (my initial posts here and here) is that it was clearly aimed at potentially violent groups. At the time the DHS report broke and the right went mad, I noted mainstream conservatism is not a potentially violent group. While some complained the report was vague, there were some names included, including the traitorous murderer Timothy McVeigh.


After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.

Anyone from the mainstream who had their brain engaged should be able to tell the difference between themselves and the focus of the DHS report – people like McVeigh or could potentially be like McVeigh. There was no reason for the drama queens to claim they could be or were being confused with a known problem segment of our population. All the wailing aside from the right, we as a nation need to face up and deal with this cancer. There are established labels for these groups, like rightwing extremists. It is also a fact far left liberals attempt to smear mainstream conservatives with these labels (of course, the far right does the same thing against democrats, like calling them fascists, and centrists, like calling them traitors).

How can anyone seriously think the GOP is a supporter, ally or enabler of the kinds of horror Timothy McVeigh inflicted on this nation?

But to show how truly insane they are, many far right conservatives have been out claiming brotherhood with the rightwing extremists, claiming publicly they are of the same cast, accepting the label and all its conations. 

What has me floored is the inane hypocrisy of all this, as many conservatives rightly questioned Obama’s links to another American terrorist Bill Ayers. The only difference between Ayers and McVeigh was the decade in which they attacked this country and the fact McVeigh has a massively larger body count to his name.

Because conservatives hypocritically accepted the blurring of what were clear lines of distinction between real American traitors and mainstream conservative political movements and groups I had to end any association with this ever shrinking, shrill and marginal group. Instead of simply stating with confidence and pride conservatism is not a violent and extreme ideology, these knuckleheads have embraced the dangerous cancer by stating their acceptance with this cast of ghouls.

Not only is this political suicide, it gave credibility to the lunatic fringe when they claim  the conservative movement is nothing more than an out of control and potentially violent hate group:

Liberal actress and political activist Janeane Garofalo, in all seriousness, said activists who attended tea parties are racists with dysfunctional brains in a recent prime-time television appearance.

“Let’s be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It’s not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea party was about. They don’t know their history at all. It’s about hating a black man in the White House,” she said on MSNBC’s “The Countdown” with Keith Olbermann Thursday evening. “This is racism straight up and is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. There is no way around that.”

“No way around that”. Especially when Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham and others have stated publicly they are righwing extremists – in clear reference to a DHS report, which was focused on the likes of McVeigh. No longer can conservatives complain about liberal ties to Ayers now that they have stated they are fine with being tied to McVeigh and others like him. Now they have stated allegiance to the extreme rightwing, they have donned their mantle.

This is why people need to engage their brains before emoting in full drama queen mode. The conservatives, especially the far right, are angry they have lost the support of the people. All their current woes are the fault of oppressive democrats and traitorous centrists. I can say with confidence two things: Obama is not nearly as bad as the far right fringe claim (i.e., a fascist modern day nazi), and the far right is not as pure and morally great as they like to pretend.

What this country needs to do is stay out of the fringes. We don’t need the leftwing or rightwing extremists, violent or otherwise. We need the cool head of the center. Obama and the Democrats are making huge mistakes, but the conservative movement, now distilled down to its unruly core, is not offering any sane options. This provides the nation an opportunity to start a ground swell of support in the center, rejecting anyone from either fringe.

For example, Governor Rick Perry has been hinting that the answer to conservative frustration with being tossed from power, rejected and marginalized is for his state of Texas to secede from the nation (that’s a really twisted way to show patriotic support for this country, its democratic process and its elected leaders).  By nearly 3-1 this idea is being rejected, just as the conservative movement is being rejected (75% of Texans oppose this radical idea). The conservatives are all for carving out a little fantasy island from reality, but the voters are not.

When the disaster of the recovery plans regarding unemployment hit over the next few months, there will a desire to find a centrist alternative to the liberals and conservatives. Now is the time to start thinking about what this could mean to getting this nation off the pendulum and on a forward, rational path.

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69 Responses to “Conservatives Fail To Engage Brain Before Emoting On DHS Report”

  1. ph2ll says:

    Call me cynical, but in a few months from now the American people will forget the DHS report and the conservative response to it. So what is the big deal anyway? Afterall, this is the game the left played for 8 years. One outrage after ridiculous faux outrage and yet they were rewarded to lead the Congress in 2006 and all of govt. in 2008. Perhaps this is cathartic for conservatives or not. In the end, I don’t think it will matter much after all. I guess I am saying that what goes around comes around and the American people seem not to mind anyway.:(

  2. sbd says:

    Call me cynical, but in a few months from now the American people will forget the DHS report and the conservative response to it. So what is the big deal anyway?

    This is not going to be about a stupid “DHS” report or just the recent events, this is going to be their new mantra. For 8 years they could blame everything they thought was wrong with this country on the evil Bush, even natural disasters were his fault.

    But now their Messiah is in charge so now everything that goes wrong will be the evil conservatives fault. You heard that reporter from CNN yell at that guy with the kid that the City of Lincoln was gong to get Billions from the Stimulus package so he should shut up and be grateful to the Federal Government.

    The Federal Government is now to be our saving grace so just go with the flow. Who cares if your kids are going to have that burden on their shouders, the Federal Government will by then be taking care of them too.

    AJ already has pointed out that the money has not even gone out of Washington yet. That too will be blamed on the Republicans regardless if it isn’t true because truth is no longer what we think it is, it is what they tell us it is!!


  3. Redteam says:


    whether it’s a stupid DHS report or not, we know for sure it’s a deliberate attempt based on known false information to paint the opposition as Terrorists. Can’t do it with false info, have to at least begin with the truth.
    remember guyf ‘s attempt at a transitive property relationship.

    well if A is not true and B is not true and you want to add them up, you’re gonna get a result that’s not true. uh, at least in most cases. we have seen where rectal reasoning can be applied to change all those relationships though.

    DHS probably wouldn’t conclude that Bill Ayers is a terrorist even though he has admitted to being one.

  4. sbd says:

    The hypocrisy of the Left is just amazing. There may have been an incident which was originally supposed to be in that DHS report when it was leaked that would have been explosive. The incident was going to report that a wealthy version Timothy McVeigh had planned to try and harm President Obama with a Dirty Bomb during his inauguration.

    The problem was that while the he was a white supremacy, he wasn’t from the far right, but rather was from the far Left!! So because of this little flaw in the story, a major terrorist threat from our own backyard was never reported in the MSM except in Maine where it happened. This inspite the fact that the an FBI intelligence report had been leaked to wiki-leaks with all of the details.


    9 December 2008

    Discovery of Radiological Dispersal Device Components, Literature, and Radioactive Material at the Maine Residence of an Identified Deceased US Person On 9 December 2008, radiological dispersal device components and literature, and radioactive materials, were discovered at the Maine residence of an identified deceased USPER James Cummings. Cummings had possible ties to white supremacist groups.

    On 9 December 2008, four one-gallon containers of 35 percent hydrogen peroxide, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide, and magnesium ribbon were discovered at the Cummings’ residence. (FBI comments: Literature on constructing ‘dirty bombs’; information referring to cesium-137, strontium-90, and cobalt-60; and possible evidence linking James ((Cummings)) to white supremacist groups were also discovered.)

    (Source comments: Amber ((Cummings)) admitted to the shooting death of her husband James Cummings citing years of mental, physical, and sexual abuse. Amber Cummings retained legal counsel upon being questioned by law enforcement about any involvement with white supremacists. James Cummings was reported to have inherited two million dollars and to have resided in multiple states prior to relocating to Maine.)

    Amber ((Cummings)) indicated James was very upset with Barack Obama being elected President. She indicated James had been in contact with ‘white supremacist group(s)’.

    Amber also indicated James mixed chemicals in the kitchen sink at their residence and had mentioned ‘dirty bombs’. (Source comment: State authorities detected radiation emissions in four small jars in the residence labeled ‘uranium metal’, as well as one jar labeled ‘thorium.’ The four jars of uranium carried the label of an identified US company.)

    An application for membership in the National Socialist Movement, which had been completed by James
    Cummings was discovered.

    (FBI comments: Uranium, thorium, cesium-137, strontium-90, and cobalt-60 are radioactive isotopes. 35 percent hydrogen peroxide is a necessary precursor for the manufacture of peroxide-based explosives.

    Lithium metal, thermite, and aluminum are materials used to sensitize and amplify the effects of explosives.

    The identified US Company in this report sold the depleted uranium online.

    Source: FBI IIR 4 218 1563 09

    The Yahoo Groups page for the National Socialist Movement describes themselves as follows.

    The official group for the National Socialist Freedom Movement. The National Socialist Freedom Movement was the ORIGINAL National Socialist Movement. OUR RACE IS OUR NATION AND RELIGION!! WE REFUSE TO BE DIVIDED OR CORRUPTED BY RELIGION!! THIS GROUP IS POLITICAL. WE SUPPORT THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AND ARE LAW ABIDING. The NSLF (Party Main Office) NSM. POB 8226 Tulsa, Ok 74101 White Peoples Message 918- 835 – 3311 Umbrella group for the Uniformed Divisions- National Socialist Movement (www.nsm88.org) Be warned- most of the people in this group are educated and are well aware that ALL of Christ- ianity is JEWISH (THIS ALSO INCLUDES WHAT IS KNOWN AS "CHRISTIAN IDENTITY") and is a JEWISH TOOL to destroy our Aryan Folk, who were originally PAGAN. Any posts made to this group supporting Christianity will be deleted. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO BE ACTIVE SUPPORTERS – Visit the FILES section for this E GROUP – pictures, app- lications, documents, booklets, foldouts, materials avai- lable, AUDIO DISKS – PROPAGANDA MATERIALS – REMEMBER, WHETHER IN UNIFORM OR NOT – AGITATE! EDUCATE! ORGANIZE! – unless you are content to be serfs, slaves and servants of the WORLD IMPERIALISTS! This organization and e-group is owned by Chairman Clifford Herrington FIGHTING FOR FAMILY, RACE AND NATION!! NOW IS THE HISTORIC TIME! NOW IS THE TIME TO ADVANCE! NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL ARYAN VOLK TO ARISE AS ONE MAN AND ATTACK! Legally, Propaganda wise and without REMORSE! NO APOLOGIES! NO RESTRAINT! NO SENSITIVITY! FOR IF YOU DO NOT ACT NOW YOUR VOLK IS DOOMED! ADVANCE TO THE ATTACK! ADVANCE FOR YOUR PEOPLES! ADVANCE FOR TOMORROW BELONGS TO US! Out with the Traitors! Out with the sellouts, demicans and republicrats and kosher judaic "materialistic" egotistical money grubbers! WHO FIGHTS FOR YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE? No one! EXCEPT THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT!


  5. sbd says:

    My last post is waiting moderation, probably because it was so long so here is the link to post I made on FreeRepublic.com

    Socialist Terrorist Was Making Radioactive Dirty Bomb For Inauguration

    The hypocrisy of the Left is just amazing. This may have been the incident which was originally supposed to be in that DHS report when it was leaked that would have been explosive. The incident was going to report that a wealthy version Timothy McVeigh had planned to try and harm President Obama with a Dirty Bomb during his inauguration.

    The problem was that while the he was a white supremacist, he wasn’t from the far right, but rather was more likely from the far Left!! So because of this little flaw in the story, a major terrorist threat from our own backyard was never reported in the MSM except in Maine where it happened. This was probably due an FBI intelligence report had been leaked to wiki-leaks with all of the details including that the terrorist was a Socialist.

    The DHS leaked document would have made perfect sense had this information from the FBI been included and had Cummings been a right wing extremist. Maybe someone relized that a Socialist from the right wing republican party might not go over so well (IE Too Unbelievable), so it was hastily removed.


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  7. AJStrata says:

    CP, it is pretty simple. It doesn’t matter which side has more threats, all threats need to be found and stopped.

  8. groy says:

    AJ….but it does matter….when the threat comes from those Obama has placed in our government….their policies.

    The DHS isn’t the threat nor those who support the DHS and it appears to many of us just another excuse by Obama and his cohorts to really his base distorting the theat.