Jun 02 2007
O’Reilly Goes Too Far
Bill O’Reilly has become another example of the far right, Immigration Hypochondriacs running into the sewer because they have lost their minds and the argument on the comprehensive immigration bill supported by large majorities since it includes both border protection and a guest worker program. Jerks like O’Reilly cannot tolerate the guest worker program with fines and back taxes due as punishment for working here without documentation. And this intolerance is seen in their immature and hateful nativist comments, like what just spewed out of O’Reilly’s big mouth:
Bill O’Reilly asserted that the proposed immigration reform bill is supported by “people who hate America, and they hate it because it’s run primarily by white, Christian men. Let me repeat that. America is run primarily by white, Christian men, and there is a segment of our population who hates that, despises that power structure.” He continued: “So they, under the guise of being compassionate, want to flood the country with foreign nationals, unlimited, unlimited, to change the complexion — pardon the pun — of America. Now, that’s hatred, too.”
As a white, now non-practicing Christian man I can only say this: Forget You O’Reilly. Clearly you are insecure about people of color being too close to you. Similarly to how the Nazis hated the Jews for poisoning the German culture, too many on the right spew this garbage about polluting our country out of fear of having to deal with people of other cultures. And they call us Un-American. What an ugly and pathetic comment.
Addendum: OK, I cleaned up the text and the HTML – since I was trying to spill this post out fast so my family could go to downtown Herndon and see the fireworks and left it pretty mangled. And after reading O’Reilly’s full text I find less offensive – but only barely. The fact is O’Reilly was trying to include the far left as supporters of the current Bill – which they are not. La Raza and the other far left groups do not like this bill because it eliminates the citizenship option for temporary workers and requires the background checks to eliminate the criminal element. So instead of being 100% irritated with O’Reilly I am 98% irritated because the guy simply used a lie to try and scare people from supporting the Bill. In a classic race baiting move reminiscent of the Dubai Ports fiasco O’Reilly must have been trying to reach our collective inner Klansman. Thankfully not very many people would fall for such a mob-mobilizing stunt. Sadly enough do. I wonder how many opponent of the guest worker program (which has limits on the numbers allowed, requires maximum stays, has that tamper-proof IDz with an expiration date to get jobs, and no option to apply for citizenship) will take O’Reilly to task for this?
enforcement:
I thought I had read the bill, that is my point. I have dial up here, tis true and so pdf is dicey. I was thinking of going to the library, but I don’t think they would let me print the whole thing out.
So I went on line, several sites had the bill up, I read that. I read what I could find in html. There is even a copy of a proposed House bill out there.
I contacted my representatives and asked questions. In fact I just sent a letter to my Senators and asked them to explain the triggers to me and how they will work and if they are sufficient etc.I did all that.
So don’t get superior with me and tell if I just read the bill blah blah blah. Good Lord man, I have been hearing and reading about this bill for days now. That is my point. When Kyl and Grassley can read the same bill and see different things then obviously we are not just talking about people lying to people.
BIGLSU, I’ll tell you why they fight on the right is to kill all of this bill in it’s tracks and it relates to what apache said about giving away the milk and not buying the cow.
The gist of this bill is that with one swoop of a pen, there is no more such thing as an illegal alien in this country. It stops law enforcement from doing their jobs enforcing immigration laws because everybody is temporarily legalized. That status will be good enough for most of them and it wil stay that way. The rest of it, the govt will act like they are trying to do it, then in a couple of years after proving that they cannot accomplish the administration of this boondoggle, they will throw in the towel and just give them all citizenship. In house background checks? C’mon, get a clue, they are UNDOCUMENTED and not in this country. What the hell are you going to check. Most of them have used several names and identities since they have been here, how do you check that? This is why I say this whole thing is a fraud. What we have here is blanket legalization covered with a bunch of bogus, never going to happen promises in order to get it past the public.
If you think I’m a cynic on this, you are absolutely correct. I have no faith that the fed will do anything different on this as they have for the last forty years. THEY ARE LYING to us. If they actually were to stop the bleeding, I might believe they were trying to save the patient but they are not. And it’s not just a mistake, they are deliberately not doing it.
AJ,
Come out of the Strata Sphere, please return to the Third Rock From the Sun! We want you back!
Dude, why would someone not use a database for background checks that only requires a network connection to access from any where in the country???
Ow, I don’t know AJ, why does the Gov’t not do so many things it can?
It could go after 9 Million fake S.S. Numbers, but it doesn’t.
It could build more than .286% of the Border Wall, but it doesn’t.
It could build 700 miles of the Double Wall, but instead, it might build 370 miles of Single Wall fencing.
It could take Work Force Enforcement seriously, but it doesn’t.
It could take Stolen Identities seriously, but it doesn’t.
It could stop feeling up Grandma’s at the Airport, and feel up those who actually want to kill us, but it doesn’t.
It could stop Saudia Arabia from building Mosques here, but it doesn’t.
It could also stop “Sanctuary Cities” where federal lawsare ignored, but it doesn’t.
It could have stopped 3 of the Fort Dix Six from being here Illegaly for 23 or more years, but it didn’t.
They had over 56 traffic stops, but they were still here.
There are a lot of things it COULD do, but it doesn’t.
Terrye, people are entitled to their opinions on bills whether they’ve read them or not. But they shouldn’t try to argue specific issues as if they are an expert on them either. They should just state, I’ve not read the bill but I hear that it says “xxx” and I support “xxx” so I’m for it. But then when someone that has actually read the bill says “well it actually says “xyxyxy”, then that person that HAS NOT read it shouldn’t try to shout that person down, accuse them of being a far right handliner, call them a Jerk and say FU . He should say, hmmm, I wonder what is really in the bill, Terrye, you know computers, can you look that up, print out the page that has that section in it so I can read it for myself before I try to argue it anymore?
Is that reasonable, or are you a sell out to the far right if you believe that?
AJ
Stevevvs – who do you think will process the deportation of all the immigrants if the far right got their way?
For the nth time, just who is demanding deportation? You seem to want them deported. You are the one bemoaning the fact that there is no law now that allows them to be deported and this new one does (incorrectly I might add)
Would you link us to somewhere that someone is calling for mass deportation. I personally don’t care if no one is ever deported. If they commit a crime let em do their time, in the comfort of a lockup courtesy of USA.
Aj,
DUDE, you can’t be serious?
As sooo many have noted, ENFORCE the Work Place Laws! If you keep people from getting Jobs, Illegaly, why stay?
Are they mowing your lawn?
Are they doing your laundry?
Why the attachment to them?
I truely don’t get it.
Nor do most Americans, who want the Borders Secured First, then clean up the mess Gov’t. let happen.
Stevevvs,
You know what it means when you avoid the subject and try to attack the person? You admit defeat.
Thanks for playing. maybe next time.
BTW, my we do our own lawn and laundry. And yes, you truly don’t get it.
I meant to say, they are not FROM this country. That’s what makes background checks only in the US a joke.
Terrye
So don’t get superior with me and tell if I just read the bill blah blah blah. Good Lord man, I have been hearing and reading about this bill for days now.
Do you need me to cut and paste where you said you had not read the bill? I asked and you said you had not. Then the very next morning after signing off late, saying you had to get some sleep, you were back on line saying you had read the bill. You do recall that? you were asked about it at the time. You read a 326 page bill overnight on dial-up. I believe you. Sorry if I’ve implied otherwise, again just going by your statement that you had not read it.
Do you compare hearing about and reading about the bill the same asreading the bill?
Those in favor of “New” Laws to replace perfectly fine Existing laws, are just like those who argue for “New” Gun Laws. There are Thousands of Gun Laws on the books. Just like with Aliens, if we enforced the Existing Alien/Gun laws, there would be no need for new ones to also ignore.
But that’s too simple, I guess.
AJ
You know what it means when you avoid the subject and try to attack the person? You admit defeat.
kinda like your strategy on this illegal alien bill?
Stevevvs,
Education time:
It could go after 9 Million fake S.S. Numbers, but it doesn’t.
Actually they do go after them. But you need more than the SS and the country has never authorized sharing of databases. So it can’t do as much as you think – by law. You know, those same laws you keep saying we need to enforce.
It could build more than .286% of the Border Wall, but it doesn’t.
.286% of 3,000 miles is 8.5 miles. So, you have proof only 8.5 miles of wall is being enhanved? Math is something you might want to practice more often.
It could build 700 miles of the Double Wall, but instead, it might build 370 miles of Single Wall fencing.
The double vs single wall issue is such marginal hype. But if that is the basis of leaving the status quo it seems pretty lame.
It could take Work Force Enforcement seriously, but it doesn’t.
To take work force enforcement seriously we need those tamper proof ID and the guest worker program. It seems you are the one who do not take it seriously since you believe in the fairy tale the current laws are just fine. Of course, there is no way NOW for employers to validate any IDs. None. They can only check if the person has one.
It could take Stolen Identities seriously, but it doesn’t.
You mean the government does nothing about this? LOL! More of your exaggerations I see.
It could stop feeling up Grandma’s at the Airport, and feel up those who actually want to kill us, but it doesn’t.
What is about you folks and feeling up grandma’s – you have maternal issues. So your answer is to feel em up at the borders only, not the airports. Brilliant plan.
It could stop Saudia Arabia from building Mosques here, but it doesn’t.
Ah, the truth comes out. You want to throw out our constitution because of your paranoid fears. Thankfully people like you are always in the minority. BTW, how does this thinking differ from those who won’t tolerate synagogues? From where I sit two sides of the same coin.
It could also stop “Sanctuary Cities†where federal lawsare ignored, but it doesn’t.
The new bill attempts to do that. But recall we are a democracy, not Stevevvs’ dictatorship.
It could have stopped 3 of the Fort Dix Six from being here Illegaly for 23 or more years, but it didn’t.
LOL! Keep on thinking the fence is the magic potion. Fantasies are fun – aren’t they? You are great at impugning others. Why didn’t you stop the Dix 6?
But I do thank you for proving my point every day about why we can and should marginalize the immigration hypochondriacs. When you start proposing shutting down a religion we can now safely and easily say that is un-American.
FE,
Doing the poor pitiful me schtick again? Is the topic me or immigration and the hwo the far right is blowing it out of proportion and losing all credibility?
LOL! Whatever. I have numerous posts on my position regarding the bill and it opponents. You can try and lash out at me all you want. But you folks said you could not compromise and this had to be fought out.
Stop complaining about being in the battle you folks brought on. If the far right would accept the compromise of INCLUDING the guest worker program with the border enhancements this would never of happened. But they wanted teach a lesson. Are you folks learning it now?
AJ
Was it not You who always says “I don’t have time to answer your silly questions?”
I honestly don’t know why they don’t do what they could and should do. But I also gave examples of other things they aren’t doing. And your reply was so typical of those who truely are lost.
You know what it means when you avoid the subject and try to attack the person? You admit defeat.
Thanks for playing. maybe next time.
I did not avoid anything. I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERE AS TO WHY GOV’T is DYSFUNCTIONAL. If You do, please ENLIGHTEN the rest of us!
Also, the 6 minutes spent on each case is crazy. Many Third World Countries do not have Criminal Checks Available to us on line. It requires them to get into Filing Cabinets and go thru paper Files to check out many of their Citizens who are criminals. And even with that, a crime HAD to be Reported to actually have a file to look at. In many of those Countries, Fear of Criminals and Cartels keep Citizens from even reporting crimes, much like in big Cities Here. So, I never Dodge your “Silly” questions, I just try to honestly answer them.
Can you tell me who to contact? Our clients would certainly appreciate it.
Is anyone who questions aspects of the bill considered far right? Or are you lumping anyone who opposes it…in its present form…as far right?
Sue,
You are free to chose where you fit. Those who will torpedo any bill containing a guest worker program are far right in my mind. They cannot tolerate the rest of us conservatives who want more than just the border protections. They brought this civil war on – not those of us who support both aspects of the Bill.
Being far right (and wrong) doesn’t make anyone a bad person. It makes them wrong. Nothing more.
AJ,
You didn’t answer my question. I was serious. Tell me who we should contact to do something about stolen ss#s.
I dont’ fit anywhere, which is a problem when you lump us as “you folks”. You attacked O’Reilly using Media Matters. What’s up with that? It wasn’t even O’Reilly’s position, but the one he sees as the position of the NYTs. In the segment that the quote came from, he was taking both sides of the position, asking McCain questions about the bill. And for that you wrote a scathing post on him as an example of “Immigration Hypochondriacs”. You accused me of having “no concerns” because I don’t accept, on face value, that this bill will do what you claim it will do.
I am not far right. If I were, I wouldn’t be here, reading, on a daily basis, since you are anything but far right. I would have known what a freeper was when Scary called me one, without having to ask. But I do oppose this bill, in its present form, on matters that have absolutely nothing to do with racism, bigotry, or far rightism. And I certainly don’t suffer BDS, though you would never know it from your comments to me on the immigration matter. It seems to be personal to you, unlike your ability to argue endlessly on the Litvinenko matter without resorting to mass name calling.
AJ said –
But you folks said you could not compromise and this had to be fought out.
That is NOT true. I have been offering to compromise for days. Not one single proponent of the bill has even responded to my offer. Not ONE!! And I read someone else, either FE or Retire, offer up a compromise.
It is your side, the proponents, that have not offered to compromise.
It could build more than .286% of the Border Wall, but it doesn’t.
.286% of 3,000 miles is 8.5 miles. So, you have proof only 8.5 miles of wall is being enhanved? Math is something you might want to practice more often.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmViN2Y4NzYyMmVlNzE4OWNiN2M0YTIwMWQ2NDUxOTQ=
Aj,
No one authorized 3,000 miles of fencing. And if they had, it would be longer than the Souther Border! Maybe YOU need to check YOUR math Skills!
The U.S. has now constructed .286 percent of the 700 miles of fencing on the southern border provided for in 2006’s Secure Fence Act. That is sufficient for a bipartisan group of senators to want to effectively declare this brief national experiment with immigration enforcement effectively over.
It could take Work Force Enforcement seriously, but it doesn’t.
To take work force enforcement seriously we need those tamper proof ID and the guest worker program. It seems you are the one who do not take it seriously since you believe in the fairy tale the current laws are just fine. Of course, there is no way NOW for employers to validate any IDs. None. They can only check if the person has one.
AJ, Bill Clinton was capable of Hundreds More Raids per Year Than Bush…
It could stop feeling up Grandma’s at the Airport, and feel up those who actually want to kill us, but it doesn’t.
What is about you folks and feeling up grandma’s – you have maternal issues. So your answer is to feel em up at the borders only, not the airports. Brilliant plan.
AJ
enforcement:
Of course you are not a sell out to anyone for wanting information. I guess I don’t always express myself as well as I want to.
People like my brother can be against the bill on principle, but it seems no one is allowed to be for comprehensive reform on principle. Then comes the grilling, the accusations, the attacks etc., often as not from people who offer no real alternative to the status quo. It is a sort of double standard that I find unfair.