Dec 13 2006
Some Litvinenko Thoughts
The news on Litvinenko’s death and the Polonium-210 trail has succumbed to the moder Ripper news, so obviously something very quiet is being done behind the scenes or the trail is growing cold. I think it is the former because this quick response by the Germans in response to some possible evidence that Kovtun made a phone call from Berlin during his period in Germany between Moscow and his trip to meet Lugovoi and Litvinenko in London.
I meant to note I find the constantly shifting stories by Lugovoi and Kovtun to be a clear sign they new full well they have been in contact with radiactive material. The tanning salon excuse is just pathetic. I also find their pointing to Oct 16th as possible contamination point telling as well. They knew that their illnesses were due to Polonium 210, but they only realized their problem after Litvinenko fell ill and died. Up until they could not hide the truth anymore (i.e., they needed medical attention) they tried to divert suspicion using one lame excuse after another. But they knew it was Polonium 210.
Add this the fact Berezovsky’s mouthpiece Goldfarb went out of his way to dismiss any idea that Lugovoi and Kovtun could have been involved in the assassination effort and one can see he too was trying to divert attention from them as culprits in Litvinenko’s death. When in reality they represented the best lead to Putin and Russia as part of an assassination effort. Why would Berezovsky/Goldfarb go out of there way to publically vouch for the best supporting evidence of a Russian assassination plot to ever surface? Diversion. Only when it became clearly obvious that Lugovoi was ill did Goldfarb go silent again.
Finally, the delay in questioning Lugovoi could easily be seen as negotiations for a plea agreement. Lugovoi has been giving the public perception he is working for investigators on this case, and investigators are not out denying anything. We still have this mysterious fourth contaminated hotel out there, and we have police backing away from the poisoned tea cup theory. I would not be surprised if within a few days we see some sweeping actions by authorites. Then again, I would not be surprised to see nothing new happening for days on end as well. My latest musings for all to rip apart at their leisure!
to the best of my knowledge Lugovoy is apolitical and pro cash at least according to his own accounting – not a peep about Chechnya. Same for Kovton who is like Litvinenko not so successful. Sokolenko maintains a major distance from the whole deal – doubt he said anything pro Chechnya
Lizarde1, don’t believe it. If he were a saavy political affectionado and involved in this kind of stuff he would have every reason to act apolitical. This is classic Sun Tsu.
That’s what I thought – The 3 “businessmen” are not Chechnyan supporters.
The only people being murdered are or were.
The assassination of Putin Litvinenko foiled was allegedly tied to Chechnya.
And the three businessmen are back in the motherland. Protected or distanced from the whole deal. And there is no proof, no test result, no verifying third party that L and K are in fact contaminated.
The field is narrowing. Those that live uncontaminated, and not Chechenya supporters, and those that are dead and Chechnya supporters.
Just a coincidence, I’m sure, Enlightened. %^)
OT – Oh Waaahhh. The Dixie Chicks are about to split up. “Unconfirmed Sources” -don’t you just love it when their friends pop off – advise they will split in Feb (after the Grammy’s – just in case) – the two quieter ones are sick of the mouthy one that said the stuff about GWB. A Waaahbulance is required.
Well at least we know the field is narrowing – and Chechnya is most likely the key to unlocking the mystery.
So I’m very concerned. Two possible assassins on CCTV after Anna’s murder – missing.
Two possible assassins outed by Sasha in 2003 – missing.
Lot’s of assassins to go around huh?
I didn’t say I believed Lugovoy was apolitical I don’t think – I think I only said Lugovoy claimed to be apolitical. The whole lot of them, including LItvinenko are out for cash – per the Sushi girl Litvinenko only wore designer suits including Armani and always had wads of cash
.It’s hard here today for the Putin may not have done it crowd so I’m staying out of most of this
My point is –
Berezovsky – Very vocal about Chechnya.
Litvinenko – Same.
Zakayev – Same.
Lugovoi – Not a peep
Kovtun – Nope
Sokolenko – Nope
So, the non supporters are the money men, out for cash only? Were they the buyers or sellers if they are smugglers?
I’m not saying Putin ordered the hit himself. He knew Litvinenko had become an issue. His posse took care of the problem.
But the hit came from the Kremlin. Too many Russian nationalists hanging around Sashsa in and around the days before he was poisoned.
You forget that Sasha wanted these people to hang around – he was getting a commission for introducing them to British Companies – particularly he wanted Lugovoy to hang around. IMO they were all a bunch of sleezes. Lugovoy seemed to want to do business with British companies and he was Boris Berezovsky’s security company at the TV station – these people go way back together – the whole bunch of them
It’s hard here today for the Putin may not have done it crowd so I’m staying out of most of this
Left by Lizarde1 on December 14th, 2006
I’m not sure what happened, so you can talk to me.
Clarice, thought you might be interested in this op-ed re. Sakhalin-2:
A BLACK TUESDAY FOR WESTERN ENERGY COMPANIES IN RUSSIA
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2371738
mariposa – thanks! I guess I miss crosspatch? who took the anti anti Putin side of things – I left the Free Republic discussion of this early on because it was all Putin bashing all the time – I’m into the mystery of it and the consequences for terrorism and trying to figure out what really happened and I guess I am in the smugglers camp!
More stalling and contridiction
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/14/news/spy.php
**contrAdiction**
Tomorrow by the way Russia has said that the tests on Lugovoi and Kovton will be announced – whether they will be made public is anybody’s guess.
Well I must admit the article from 2003 re: Litvinenko averting a Putin assassination has thrown me. I don’t get why he would protect Putin – an apparent arch enemy – and then 3 years later accuse him of his own murder. There’s something hinky there.
But stubborn that I am – it does not change the smuggling for profit angle for me.
It bolsters the assassination theory – almost as if the guys Sasha turned in, in 2003, vowed to avenge that dishonor. Sasha should have been on their side – against Putin. But Sasha chose to protect Putin which I assume would really P/O those that thought they could rely on him to get rid of Putin.
So I almost smell some in-house fighting here. And some “sources” have intimated it was an inside job, outside of Putin, but coming from Russia.
Mariposa,
I think Clinton administration bears the responsibility for current troubles of foreign companies in Russia. They squander most of goodwill that were typical for early 90th when the relation of two countries were very worm indeed .
As Anne Williamson’s aptly notes in her testimony before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the U.S. House of Representatives
“It shows how the historic opportunity given the U.S. to help transform Russia into a free, peaceful, pro-Western country was squandered in the form of a bruising economic rape carried out by corrupt Russian politicians and businessmen, assisted by Bush and (especially) Clinton administrations engaged in political payoffs to Wall Street bankers and others, and by ineptitude and greed on the part of the U.S. Treasury and the Harvard Institute for International Development, assisted by fellow travelers and manipulators at Nordex, the IMF, the World Bank, and the Federal Reserve.
The losers were the Russian people and (mainly) U.S. tax-payers.”
It’s sad that Clinton was not impeached and that Bush who have more realistic and reasonable approach to the main ally in the fight with terrorism nation is in such trouble. I do not expect anything good from Democrats in this area.
Okay. But if Litinvenko turned in those that were trying to assasinate Putin in 03, why would the Chechnyans (sp?) honor him now? Wouldn’t they be upset with him too?