Jan 29 2012
Romeny Win In FL Guarantees GOP Loses Across Board 2012
Well, well, well. It seems the establishment GOP is so determined not to let the 2012 insurgent voter get a piece of their political pie they will do anything to get Romney elected. Sarah Palin – as one of the Tea Party, libertarian leaders – has not been silent on the mudslinging against Newt Gingrich from the GOP establishment:
How can he say he’s not a part of the establishment? Well, look at the players in the establishment who are fighting so hard against him. They want to crucify him because he has tapped into that average, every day American Tea Party grassroots movement that has said enough is enough of the establishment, that tries to run the show and tweak rules and laws and regulations for their own good and not for our nation’s own good. Well, when both party machines and many in the media are trying to crucify Newt Gingrich for bucking the tide and bucking the establishment that tells you something.
And I say, you know, you got to rage against the machine at this point in order to defend our republic and save what is good and secure and prosperous about our nation. We need somebody who is engaged in sudden and relentless reform and isn’t afraid to shake it up, shake up that establishment. So, if for no other reason, rage against the machine, vote for Newt. Annoy a liberal, vote Newt! Keep this vetting process going. Keep the debate going.
Make sure to go the link and listen to the entire video piece.
Now Herman Cain is coming out supporting Newt – the last insurgent candidate to be pushed out by an arrogant GOP establishment:
Former presidential hopeful Herman Cain threw his support behind Newt Gingrich Saturday night, providing the former House speaker with a late boost just days before Florida’s primary.
Cain, a tea party favorite, endorsed his fellow Georgian at a GOP fundraiser Saturday calling him “a patriot.”
“Speaker Gingrich is not afraid of bold ideas,” Cain said.
So with Sarah and Herman now aligned AGAINST the establishment Romney, we have the situation where the GOP establishment has clearly declared war against the 2010 insurgent voter and the Tea Party.
Which means they will lose elections up and down the card. They have to. Insurgent voters have no choice but to let the Democrats win until the GOP establishment wakes up, gives up or is fired.
Clearly, some think Obama is so scary that voters will do anything to avoid 4 more years. But the Tea Party insurgent voters are actually immune to government since they prefer to fend for themselves. They may determine that 4 more years of idiotic policies from the left is not much different from 4 more years of idiotic policies from the right. We have suffered through 3 decades of this crap, we can probably handle another decade if that is what it takes to start purging one the establishment from the DC Temples of Power.
When you want to shrink government, and the ones in the way of your goals are the very ones addicted to government largesse, it does not matter which side you have to destroy in order to create a fresh start and direction. Call it creative destruction – the democratic way. Mitt & GOP – your about to be Bain’d by 2012 voters.
Why would any 2010 insurgent voter be for Romney, who is a vague version of Obama? Why? Will we flock to Romeny’s cold Big Business to thwart Obama’s cold Big Government? LOL – not likely. How about we let the GOP suffer political losses until they realize they will keep losing until they listen to America? Sounds like a path out of the darkness versus more wandering in it.
Florida looks like it will be a Pyrrhic victory for Romney and the GOP – and the end of their run with moderate, Main Street, middle class voters. They went for the ‘scorch the Tea Party’ path, and the results will not be a surprise. I have watched Obama’s poll numbers get better and better as Romney and the GOP Sithe torched half their base. After this week the political climate will change. And as is typical, the pivot will come in Florida.
And it will be one of those lines that cannot be uncrossed. Romney and the GOP establishment should have remembered Reagan’s 11th commandment.
Jan, sooooo!!! you’re now proposing Romneycare for the country? Well, you and Mitt very likely have that in common.
There you go, trying a sugar coating on that sandwich I mentioned earlier. That health care thing is Socialism with a capital S. Take from the people with money and buy insurance for those that won’t buy it for themselves and by all means make sure that those that get it provided, for free, gets exactly what all those that work and pay for their own, get.
I think it is generally accepted that if you keep giving people free stuff they’ll continue to take it. question. do the people in Mass that didn’t have insurance before and now get it free, think it’s a good thing?
do the people that had average insurance and paid an average price that now have a little better insurance but pay a little more for it, do they think it’s a ‘good thing’ Do those that had insurance and paid for it, that now have a little better insurance but now also pay for two or three other familes ‘free’ insurance. do they think it’s a good thing? The rich people that didn’t have insurance because they always pay cash for the very best care. they now have to pay for their insurance plus several other families insurance. Do they think it’s a good thing? As strange as it may seem, I don’t think they do.
We all know that there is not a country in the world with the quality of health care that the poorest people in this country have and for all that lousy health care they get, in say Canada, at least they pay a lot for it and get to wait intolerable times on waiting lists. That doesn’t happen in this country, but hey, let’s elect Romney and get canadian insurance for everyone..
Will the people in Mass vote out the insurance? did they Vote it in? The answer is, THEY DID NOT VOTE IT IN. THEY WILL NEVER GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE IT OUT. The Dims run the politics in Mass and they want to buy votes. And just think, it was all Romney’s idea.
He conceived the plan and introduced it, especially with the help of Edward Kennedy. (now there’s a politician we can all admire)
Jan,
It’s easy to show how Mitt’s opposition is larger than his support. Look at the votes….
jan: you don’t really consider that article to be favorable to Romneycare, do you? you picked out just about the only one sentence that was favorable. Most of the article was negative:
>is fully subsidized.
>has met with mixed successes.
>The law requires that all employers with more than 11 full-time employees make a “fair and reasonable” contribution toward their workers’ health plans
>has failed to curb rising costs
>it hasn’t reduced overall costs for policy holders.
>spending per member grew by 15.5 percent on average
>the shift in cost burden from employers to individuals as a sign of the law’s weakness.
>The median health insurance premium for a policy holder in Massachusetts was $442 in 2009, a 21 percent jump from 2005.
>Bankruptcy filings due to medical costs have also jumped,
while 88 percent of doctors say it improved, or did not affect, the quality of care,(read that as ‘did not affect’ )
and on and on and on….
RedTeam
My purpose of posting that article was not to support MA healthcare. It was to find out what the people of that state felt about it. One poster here, recently, said people “hated it.” This article, only substantiates what I’ve read elsewhere by saying:
States, IMO, should have a right to create their own policies. It’s called ‘state’s rights.’ MA did this, and most of the people, despite all the downsides you posted that were in the article, still found it to be a desirable policy. Furthermore, if more people find that this policy is no longer working they can repeal it by a state initiative, or however they would do a repeal in MA.
Romney, IMO, is not renouncing this healthcare policy because people there seem to be comfortable with it. However, he has stressed that one size does not fits all, and that he doesn’t feel this type of healthcare would be good on a national basis — even though Obama used Romneycare as some kind of template for formulating a national one. I think the man is being honest by not backing away, pandering to those who hate Obamacare, and instead choses to differentiate the two from each other — state vs national.
The more I read about Romney the more I am recalculating what I used to think about him. I’m not trying to change opinions here, but simply clarify what I think may be some obscured points and misconceptions about Mitt Romney.
In comparing Candidate Romney to Gingrich, regarding healthcare……
Gingrich called for ObamaCare Mandate in May 2009, said ObamaCare “healthier..more open” process than HillaryCare
One vacillates, while another one is up front about supporting such a policy dealing with states rights.
Jan
“but simply clarify what I think may be some obscured points and misconceptions about Mitt Romney.”
I may be one of those that had some misconceptions about Mitt. Until I really started to look at him and his past, I didn’t realize how liberal he is. I ‘thought’ he might be mildly conservative, but that was definitely a misconception.
When you spoke of misconception, is that the direction you were thinking? He was clearly labeled as independent- liberal to moderate in leaning up until he decided to run for president.
I find that to be truly out of character for a businessman. Most businessmen are for capitalism. Libs and moderates don’t tend to lean that way.
I am convinced that all these great things you are thinking about Romney is the things that the Dimocrat party and lame stream media are selling to you. You do know that once Romney is confirmed as the candidate, the lame stream media will swing around and bring those big guns to bear squarely on him. His free ride in the press will end with that barrage. Then all those underhanded things that the press is saying about Newt will be said about Romney. The press will not be on his side. Only on Obama’s.
Redteam,
I’m afraid you are right as that’s what I’m reading of late. The Democrats want Romney to win because of the lack of differences between Romney and Obama.
I don’t think Romney will be prepared to stand up to the onslaught of the mainstream media.
Check this link that demonstrates the beginning of the fawning of Obama and his re-election.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/facts-be-damned-media-begins-its-campaign-to-reelect-failed-president-barack-obama/
Another example of the mainstream media’s intentional blackout of anything that makes Obama look bad:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/media_blackout_in_obama_georgia_ballot_eligibility_case.html
Disclaimer: this represents no position on my part…just pointing out the intentional blackout.
RedTeam
I knew that Romney was an Independent, then switched to the republican party affiliation, similar to what many people do earlier in life, i.e. Perry, Reagan. My ‘misconception’ of him earlier, was based on his personal appeal. I didn’t like him, his demeanor, what seemed to be an aloofness about him. But, then I also didn’t know anything about him either. Now, I’m reading what I can, to find out about him (he keeps his personal life, though, close to his vest), including more details about his 4 years in MA, a closer look at his obstacles in nominating judges, his healthcare plan, his family and relationships to others etc.
I like the man more now, because of such independent research, and definitely don’t see Romney’s record as being a progressive liberal like many others do. Basically, his so-called flip-flops can be interpreted as 1) evolution and maturity of stances 2) accepting the rule of law in the state he was governoring 3) political hypocrisy, having no core values of his own. For me, I see Romney’s politics as being more represented by 1 & 2. Consequently, I would place his political leanings as being fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Many, though seem to view him through the lens of #3.
The media is already going after Romney. There was an article measuring negativity among candidates, yesterday, and it pointed to Romney as generating the highest negative pieces from the press.
Where Gingrich is running into problems is within the party itself, from people who served with him, former staff, etc.
This has been a problem for much of Gingrich’s life, as well. There was an in-dept piece written in 1995, entitled Inner Quest of Newt Gingrich, put together from many interviews of friends, living parents, co-workers, wife, and Gingrich himself. It’s an incredible look at not only his life, but his temperament, thinking, one-on-one relationships, big ideas, and long view of the world, including his wanting to be president. He oftens talks about Romney running for president for 6 years. Well, Gingrich has been in the pursuit of power for almost his entire life!
As an epilogue to my post on Romney, I also view one’s personal history as part of the human package we are electing as president. This anecdotal post I copied below exemplifies that:
I don’t care much for Romney at all, but I absolutely despise Newt Gingrich. This has turned into a race that everyone deserves to lose, Obama included.
InsiderAdvantage Poll: Gingrich Surging, Race ‘Tighter Than Expected’
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gingrich-romney-insideradvantage-poll/2012/01/29/id/425901
A new InsiderAdvantage poll conducted Sunday night of likely Republican voters in the state of Florida shows a significant surge for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
The poll has former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney leading with 36 percent of voters, followed by Gingrich at 31 percent.
The Sunday results of 646 likely GOP voters are as follows:
Romney 36 percent
Gingrich 31 percent
Santorum 12 percent
Paul 12 percent
Other/Undecided 9 percent
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Matt Towery, chief pollster of InsiderAdvantage, says it will be closer than we think. Romney leads among women; but, Newt leads significantly among Latino’s (42 to 29). Insider Advantage was the first to poll all the back and forth surges in SC, including Romney’s surge a few days ago in FL. Insider Advantage now says movement going back to Newt.
If you ever doubted that the repubic establishment is actively working, and will ever be working, AGAINST the conservative, working stiffs base, just take a look at how they are trying to screw Col. West by more or less eliminating his district, despite the fact that Florida will add two more districts following the census.
Man, oh man, how much I hate these guys.
I predict a third, conservative, party, soon.
You are so right, dbostan. I am so angry at how the Repubs are trying to redraw West’s district to make it more difficult for him to win re-election.
Moderate, Rudy Giuliani, sees what AJ does:
“There’s something wrong when you’ve been running as long as Mitt has and you’re at 25 percent, and you don’t go much below, and you don’t go much above. Seventy-five percent of the other Republicans are telling you something.” – Rudy Giuliani-
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Giuliani-Knocks-Romney-Praises/2012/01/28/id/425835
Allen West being redistricted out of existence in effort led by Romney Florida spokesman
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/allen-west-being-redistricted-out-of-existence-in-effort-led-by-romney-florida-spokesman/
Suffolk poll 1/28 – 1/29 has Romney ahead by 20%.
http://www.suffolk.edu/images/content/FINAL_Florida_GOP_Marginals_Jan_30_2012.pdf
AJ might be right about Obamacare not mattering if Obama re-elected; but, what about SCOTUS Judges? There are likely to be two new appointments by the next Admin.
That’s why I don’t think I would stay home on election day.
The sad thing is…..the establishment knows that conservatives and tea party, etc will support who ever the nominee is. They have nothing to lose by forcing their candidate on us. But, you have to question their logic/reasoning. Why does the establishment think that the loser to the guy who already lost to Obama is the only guy that beat Obama now?
I can only hope that if Romney wins, he selects a solid VP with tea party credentials — and will be influenced by leaders like DeMint, Ryan, Rand Paul, etc.
Dbostan, Rush reported after his comment about West that the republicans said they have to add two new districts and this is causing problems with Alan’s district.
Here’s what I have to say to republicans, nationally and in Florida:
YOU BETTER TAKE CARE OF ALAN WEST OR YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET ANOTHER PENNY FROM ME OR ANOTHER POST IN YOUR FAVOR.
Thank you for letting me shout because I am beyond angry.
And by “take care” I mean help him rise to be the star that he is! Make no mistake.
story available on Hot Air – apparently a new redistricting law is driving the shape of the Florida districts, and the legislature doesn’t have a lot of choice. Texas is having similar problems – the Courts are trying to make Texas make 4 new democrat districts even though the Legislature is all republican.