Jul 12 2008

How 9-11 Helped Cause The Obama Birth Certificate Silliness

There is a lot of silliness out there regarding Barrack Obama’s Birth Certificate (as I posted here, here and here). Folks can review my posts and see how the silliness grew at each step the conspiracy theory was debunked, because it was reborn anew on the desperate wishes of those who cannot find any better arguments to oppose Barrack Obama’s presidential campaign. What has me amazed the most is that much of this conspiracy myth is tied directly to 9-11!

To recap briefly, there has been a totally irrelevant debate regarding where Obama was born, how long his mother lived in the newly minted state of Hawaii, etc. The theories all evolve around questioning Obama’s citizenship, and therefore his qualification to run for the presidency.  In an attempt to simply shut down the speculation the Obama campaign, along with the DailyKos website, released a scanned image of a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB). The fact it was an image of a scanned hard copy document led to all sorts of naive conclusions from the “COLB truthers”, building the storm of wild speculation which has morphed into a weird obsession for many.

First some claimed the image was a forgery because the image was an Adobe Photo Shop file – until some more pragmatic people with cooler heads pointed out that Photo Shop is a perfectly normal program to grab scanned images, to cover up information that someone doesn’t want public (like an identification number on the COLB) and to make web-friendly versions of the image file that would take less bandwidth to download. That should have pruned back the excitement a bit. No such luck.

Once that myth was debunked, the new theory was the image was a fake because there was no evidence of a state seal, authority signature and date stamp on the back of the document (duh!, they only distributed an image of the front). But technology came to bear and the date stamp was detected as well as impressions of a state seal and signature area (though faint). Myth two busted, but that did not dim the hopes of some!

I guess I forgot all those crazies who confused a 2007 issued COLB with a 1961 Birth Certificate, the ones who started this mess. But that is such a naive mistake I keep trying to not even think about it. You know who you are, so let’s move on.

Anyway, things got even crazier as the fringe kept grasping to save their conspiracy theory from the dustbin of history. When a poster at Kos took the image of the COLB and doctored it using MacPaint, the junior sleuths were at it again claiming this doctored image was actually the source of the Kos image (and a companion one on the Obama campaign site). I debunked that fantasy in the links above, and a forensic document expert at Atlas Shrugs confirmed my conclusions, while simultaneously creating the next myth of a clear forgery. The mock-up, known as the Opendna image, is of much lower resolution and cannot be the source of the other two images.

You can go to the last two posts above to see my conclusions, but I found the last theory at Atlas Shrugs to verge on the stupid. Sorry, but as the options for keeping the myth alive died out, the ‘logic’ to find one more way to salvage it went well into the bizarre. Techdude, the computer forensic expert at Atlas Shrugs, noted the glaringly obvious fact that a Sep 2002 COLB for one Ms Decosta was dramatically different from the Jun 2007 COLB for Barrack Obama.  And they are different, but the reason why is quite interesting.

What Techdude took as a really, really bad forgery I had always concluded represented an updated background and paper for the Hawaii COLB. It never occurred to me any serious adult would confuse two clearly different documents, separated by 5 years, as being some kind of forgery. BTW, Techdude was not the only major conspiracy theorist to jump this shark (and I will be using this link to provide other links to the documents in question).

Which brings me now to 9-11. I decided to go out and verify my conclusion that Hawaii had updated their vital records formats (Death and Birth) sometime between Sep 2002 and June 2007.  And in doing so, it is needless to say I hit pay dirt. Hopefully Techdude can fold this information into his forthcoming forensic analysis (before he comes out with another side-splitting announcement).

So here is how 9-11 has fed the Obama BC mythology:

After 9-11 the Federal and State governments started work on the Real ID Act, which became law in 2005. The Real ID act was meant to tighten up the ubiquitous state Drivers License documents and process for obtaining these IDs – which we all know are used to gain access to commercial flights across this country. Much of this act was promoted by conservatives and resisted by liberals – which underpins the ironic connection between this act and the last vestiges of the Obama BC myth.

Part of the Real ID act was efforts by states to tighten up the documents used to get the IDs – things like birth certificates. Many things were changed so as to make sure state processes could not be easily gamed by terrorists to get drivers licenses, etc. This leads us to Hawaii and the two COLBs.

Let’s begin with a look at the Sep 2002 Decosta Hawaii COLB, realizing this was issued only one year after 9-11 and 3 years prior to the Real ID Act. Use the link above to see full size of the following image:

Reviewing the document one sees what looks to be an over-zeroxed background (just look at the blurred state seal).  The border could be reproduced by cross-hatching some lines.  It appears to be printed on thin basic paper stock (as noted by the imprint depth of the state seal), and other features. This is the HI COLB of 2002.  

Now look at the Obama Colb of 2007:

Clearly a different format (again, use the link to see a larger version). We see a much crisper background, a more brilliant background pattern, possibly paper that is part cloth (since the seal imprint is very faint and can only be detected with image color processing). The border is now a pattern more reminiscent of what might be found on paper money. What we see are lots of new security features.

How anyone would claim these are “apple to apple” documents is beyond me?

So, my claim is these differences are explained because HI did something to their COLB in response to the Real ID act of 2005 before Jun 2007 – when Obama received the COLB he posted and shared with DailyKos. What I found should put a stake in the heart of this mess. As reported in April 2007:

REAL ID is one of the only 9/11 Commission recommendations that relies heavily on the states for implementation. REAL ID might have curtailed 9/11. REAL ID can make a difference to our national security, our economic security and our public safety – but only if fully implemented and adequately funded. To make REAL ID a reality, however, requires more than either the federal government or the states can do on their own. It requires a partnership. It also requires an acknowledgement that securing our nation’s physical and economic integrity is not just a federal responsibility; it is everyone’s responsibility. It requires a further acknowledgement that the ability to verify an individual’s true identity is one of the cornerstones of national and economic security.

The Driver License/ID Security Framework that emerged from the AAMVA Special Task Force was detailed and comprehensive; that Framework became the backbone for REAL ID. The outline of the task force responsibilities is worth repeating as it shows how AAMVA – and thus the state DMVs – were well aware and desirous of fixing the multiple vulnerabilities in state ID issuances systems. 

Importantly, states are already in significant compliance with many aspects of REAL ID’s identity and eligibility verification requirements under REAL ID. All states are checking commercial driver and problem driver databases as required under prior federal law. All but two states are checking SSNs. Twenty states are checking for lawful presence. Vital effects (birth and death) records are in pilot within and between North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa and five additional states have completed digitization of their vital effect records, including Hawaii, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri and Montana. Colorado and Minnesota are scheduled to join the pilot in 2007.

Emphasis mine. There you have it folks, that is how 9-11 caused HI to overhaul their vital records system, which led them to upgrade to a new COLB format and impose tighter processes surrounding it.  These new processes include restrictions on how this information is distributed to third parties – another factor conspiracy nuts claim is evidence of a cover up. In reality it is evidence of this nation taking measures to protect itself from another 9-11.  

To read more on Real ID and state efforts you can find some good information here and here.

OK, this myth is so busted. You want to know why Team Obama is not rushing out to debunk this silliness? My guess is they are laughing so hard they haven’t had time enough to catch their breaths. Besides, why would they stop their opponents from making fools of themselves?

Update: For those hung up on the format version numbers on the lower left hand corner it is clear they do not have to change if the background pattern changed. That versioning control may only apply to the content of the information and layout of the fields. It clearly does not apply to the background. Really folks, let it go.

48 responses so far

48 Responses to “How 9-11 Helped Cause The Obama Birth Certificate Silliness”

  1. Sue says:

    How do you explain both documents having the following:

    OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER

    I know on most documents, when something changes that changes too. Why didn’t it change on the 2007 document?

  2. AJStrata says:

    The version control number probably has nothing to do with the background and paper.

  3. AJStrata says:

    Besides, what does it matter? Doesn’t prove anything about some mythical FORGERY!

  4. Sue says:

    I’m not trying to prove a forgery. I just asked a question. Proving a forgery is beyond my skills. But most control numbers mean something. It would seem that would have changed in order for them to know it was under the new law or the old law.

  5. AJStrata says:

    Sorry Sue.

    If you look at the two documents much of the fields and layout is the same – so there would be no need to change the control number.

  6. VinceP1974 says:

    You’re not allowed to ask questions about the Messiah, Sue.

    Everyone has to watch every letter that comes out of their mouth when it comes to talking about the Annointed One.

  7. Sue says:

    so there would be no need to change the control number.

    When do they usually change control numbers?

  8. Sue says:

    Vince,

    Do you mean here at AJ’s or elsewhere? Because I doubt seriously questioning Obama on any number of subjects here at AJ’s would cause a problem.

  9. VinceP1974 says:

    Sue: I’m making a commentary on AJ’s reaction to your question.

  10. AJStrata says:

    That rule is usually managed document to document.

  11. Sue says:

    That rule is usually managed document to document.

    You lost me. What do you mean, managed document to document?

  12. Sue says:

    Sue: I’m making a commentary on AJ’s reaction to your question.

    Then you are misunderstanding AJ’s reactions to my questions.

  13. VinceP1974 says:

    So you’re saying if you asked some random question about a document that had nothing to do with Obama he still would have said “WHAT DOES IT MATTER”

    sure if you think so

  14. Sue says:

    Vince,

    I can assure you that is what he would say. It is **not** questioning Obama that caused that reaction.

  15. Okay, let me try one more time, though I know I’m just shooting myself in the foot.

    I’ll state some FACTS first:

    a) Senator Obama IS a US Citizen
    b) we know that, because he WAS born in Hawaii
    c) we also know that, because his mother WAS a US Citizen, at the time of his birth
    d) all this nonsense about his mother being too young, etc, at the time of his birth, is just that, Total Nonense
    e) Senator Obama is also a US Citizen, we KNOW that, because, he carries a Valid, used, US Passport, issued by the United States Government, which he has used, for at least 10 years or more! Maybe since he first travelled overseas as a youngster with his mother to Indonesia! That’s a FACT!
    f) If he has a Valid, US Passport, and we KNOW he does, that means, he or his mother, have PROVED to the US Government, that he is valid, legitimate US Citizen; so that is the end of those fallacies
    g) All this means, is that Senator Obama, IS a US Citizen, REGARDLESS of any nonsense with his Birth Certificate

    Now, about the darn Birth Certificates
    a) the one that supposedly belongs to Senator Obama, above, we have NO idea if that is his REAL one, or a Fake one, or a Forged one, or whatever, because it was relased on the Daily Kos Blog, by a guy who admitted he Forged it, and has said how he forged it.

    Bottomline; it doens’t matter whether it is Senator Obama’s REAL BC, or a Forged one by the idiot who has admitted doing it, because Senator Obama IS a US Citizen, and has a Valid US Passport!

    Those are the basic Facts that we KNOW to be true.

    The idiot who released the forged BC on the Daily Kos, has admitted it; and besides, it doesn’t matter. As stupid as Obama’s campaign has been at times, the ONLY mystery in this entire imbroglio, is why his own stupid website would take the Daily Kos obvious forgery, and claim it was his real one, when it’s obvious it’s not.

    Besides, Obama has not had his passport renewed in the past year, so he would have NO reason to get a new BC issued in the past year.

    And even IF he had his Passport renewed last year, you don’t need your BC to to renew a Passport, IF you have an old, expired US Passport, and Senator Obama CLEARY had that; so there is NO reason for Senator Obama to have gotten this 2007 forged BC in the first place, none, which is another reason that proves it a bogus forgery, put up by the idiot from the Daily Kos, who has already admitted it.

    So, what do we know:

    a) Senator Obama is a US Citizen
    b) Senator Obama has a US Passport
    c) Senator Obama has a Valid US Birth Certificate somewhere
    d) We have not seen the real one, as the Daily Kos one is a forgery
    e) We have NO NEED to see the real one, unless for some reason, the Obama campaign WANTS to release it for some strange reason
    f) the only reason this “controversy” exists to begin with, is because some Obama fan, on the Daily Kos, decided to take the initiative and post “Obama’s BC” on the Blog, to PROVE that Obama was really a US Citizen, when in fact, no such Proof is required, as I have already shown; and because he posted a Forged BC, someone came out and said the Forgery was Fake, which it clearly is, and that started all of it.
    g) Because some idiot Faked Senator Obama’s BC on the Daily Kos, it does NOT mean, that Senator Obama was

    a) not born in Hawaii
    b) is not a US Citizen
    c) was born in Kenya
    d) does not have a US Passport

    Those are ALL False

    IF there are OTHER reasons, that the Obama campaign, won’t release Senator Obama’s REAL BC, instead, relying on an obvious forgery for whatever reasons, it could be, according to other people, the following:

    a) his mother was REALLY young when he was born, and it’s embarrasing
    b) he’s changed his middle name from “Muhammed” to “Hussein”
    c) it lists him with no father, or a “black” father, or something similarly stupid, who knows!

    Frankly, I don’t think any of those are “embarrassing”, but that is what the idiots who thing this whole thing is “real”, are speculating

    They are also speculating, that Senator Obama’s REAL BC, shows he was actually born in Kenya.

    I think, they are smoking Crack, if they are waiting for that to happen!

    So, that is a factual and truthful assessment of where we are, the rest is just chasing at Windmills!

  16. VinceP1974 says:

    No one said he’s a Muslum or not a Citizen.. what the hell are you going all nuts about it?

  17. BarbaraS says:

    Be careful. Communist law # whatever is “Divide and Conquer”. Obama is probably sitting back and laughing at conservatives fighting with each other about this issue. That’s why he won’t produce his birth certificate. He doesn’t have to.

    The question is not if he is a US citizen. The question is he a “natural born citizen”. The state of Hawaii will not give out any information about birth certificates. Nada. No facts, not even if one was requested. They will only tell you HOW they give out copies. Obama probably knew this and knew it could cause some people to go nuts. Forget the whole issue. We will never know. And please let’s not raise this issue over an over again like the libs did the 2000 election.

  18. Sue says:

    AJ,

    Have you closed registration for new users?

  19. Sue says:

    Dale,

    because it was relased on the Daily Kos Blog, by a guy who admitted he Forged it,

    Can you explain this for me? And maybe provide a link to where the guy admitted he forged the birth certificate?

  20. AJStrata says:

    Sue,

    Not sure where it is set now (have to close it when I ban someone).

    Cheers, AJStrata