Jun 27 2007
Another Poll Confirms The Amnesty Hypochondriacs Small Minority
The Amnesty Hypochondriacs who oppose any legislation that provides a path, with retribution to society, for the illegal aliens here claim to represent 75% of the people. OK, ego-maniacal observations aside (that would mean the GOP had enormous leads in Congress) we also have polls and other DATA to understand what is really going on here. Some question the clearly simple math I used on the Senate vote to note that the immigration hypochondriacs only garnered 25% support. Well it is pretty easy to do the math. 24 GOP members voted ‘naye’ (the rest were liberals who felt the bill was too harsh on immigrants. 24 out of 99 is…?
While the hypochondriacs mull over that little problem we have a new poll out from CNN/Opinion Research which shows an interesting and similar result:
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Monday showed 47 percent of Americans opposed the bill, while 30 percent supported it and 19 percent said they didn’t know enough about it to make a judgment. The poll’s sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
However, the poll found a significant division among opponents of the immigration plan. About 28 percent said they were opposed because it did too much to help illegal immigrants, but 15 percent said they were opposed because it did too little.
There is that same number again – 28%! The far right cannot claim (but they do try) alliance with liberals who would truly open the borders and provide immediate citiznship to illegals here now. If they do they are only kidding themselves. But the pollsters make a valid point:
So while much of the opposition to the bill has come from those who believe it is too soft on illegal immigration, the poll found that 45 percent of Americans either support the bill or want it to be more immigrant-friendly, compared to 28 percent who feel it’s already too immigrant-friendly.
Ooppps. No where near the 75% the far right claims they represent! And let’s not forget those undecideds – who are probably more likely the ‘who the hell cares anymore’ crowd. The point is these 19 percent don’t have a position – and they DO NOT agree with the 28% who are the amnesty hypochondriacs. Finally, in a 50-50 nation between Rep and Dem support at the polls 28% is not a solid majority. And all those traitors and quislings on the right who support Bush will not be allying again anytime soon with the hypochondriacs so they could even hope to get near 50% again. These are strong indicators that there is no wide spread support for the far right, and in fact they are rapidly forcing the vast majority of people to line up AGAINST them.
Update: And another poll out showing similar results (remember opposition comes from far left AND far right – so only a subset are from the far right)
To correctly gauge the difference of this issue, we asked people whether they would favor or oppose creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in the country and apply for U.S. citizenship. Then, there was a twist — the question one-half of our sample read continued “if they had a job and paid back taxes” while the question the other half read concluded “even if they don’t pay back taxes”.
Not surprisingly, there was a large difference. Well over half (57%) of adults who had the first statement with the back tax provision favored such a program while two in five (39%) opposed. Among the adults who had the provision of not paying back taxes, two-thirds (66%) opposed such a program while only one-quarter (28%) favored it.
Under certain conditions – those outlined in the bill as opposed to some cherry picked by partisans – the country still supports “amnesty”. And I would wager that 39% opposition is 25% far right and 14% far left, give or take a few points. Which can be seen in the polls internals:
Partisan leanings also show a split on this divisive issue. When back taxes are included, two-thirds of Democrats (65%) favor this program as do 56 percent of Independents. Republicans are split straight down the middle as 49 percent favor it and 49 percent oppose it.
The 25% “majority” marches on, splitting the GOP in half and making it impotent on all other issues.
Update: OK, now a third poll.
In the study, respondents stated that they strongly agreed with the statement, “The nation’s immigration system was broken,†with a rating of eight (8.03) on a ten point scale. They also felt (6.9) that “Building more fences will not stop the flow of immigrants into the U.S.â€
Most favored the statement, “A legal path to permanent residency and eventual citizenship should be available to all immigrants who have built a life in this country.†Two-thirds (66.6%) of those surveyed expressed their support and only about one-in-four (26%) disagreed with the statement.
All these folks must be working for Ted Kennedy of course, that is the only reason the same result keeps coming up. Folks, you can only cook the polls so much and MAYBE move them 5-7 points. We are not in the 5-7 point range. And there is that mid 20’s number again. Imagine that?
Reader I am streaming cspan 2 , it is purely what I am transcribing almost like live blogging.
I already admitted my oversight in the first comment. I do not know if a linkable thing will be available until it comes out in the congressional record.
Their remarks were based on a GAO study, they were not more specific than that.
I must have said something that upset AJ. He is slamming me over at Macsmind.
AJ, stalking is illegal.
The only amendment which has passed today was a modification of the point system formula for zcard holders.
Fair enough Merlin. I am not meaning to do a “gotcha”. But how could we be sure that they are criminals and not “errors”. That’s all I am saying.
I try to take a careful and conservative approach to all things reported or written on the internet. I will take you at your word though with a little grain of salt.
Thanks for responding.
Reader:
hear, hear!!!
Senate is adjourning for the evening and per the schedule 21 amendments yet to be dealt with and Reid is only scheduling 2 hours before the cloture vote tomorrow morning.
Some people’s oversight are other’s faux pax.
Get over it already, Sue. Are you telling me that after all this time, you are still hung up AJ’s mistake.
Act like you have been right before. This way people won’t think you are an amateur when it comes to debating.
Maybe someone here can help me with this. Under the bill, I’m wondering specifically what happens to the dangerous convicted criminal undocumented person who gets pulled over by the police for speeding. First, how can they tell who he is and what he’s done without identification? Second, if they do find out, is he deported? Jailed? Set free?
Loneferret, it depends on a) who pulls him over and b) if he is arrested and taken to jail (which isn’t likely with a speeding violation). If he is simply given a speeding ticket, he will sign the ticket and mosie on down the road. If he is arrested, he will have to be in the fingerprint data base for them to run a check on him. But let’s say he gets pulled over in a state that gives driver’s licenses to illegals, there will be a license check only.
Of course not. I’m just hung up on the difference between an oversight and a faux pas or mistake, as you now term it.
I always appreciate constructive criticism and will take it under advisement.
Why you would want to hang yourself up on the difference between an oversight and a mistake (or faux pas) is beyond me.
To each his/her own.
Seems my Dem Senator from VA is not so bad on this issue.
Actually I’m not convinced, knowing some of the things in his books that he’s not a pedophile, but maybe he’s only a pornographer. Fine upstanding character in any case.
You really don’t read what you type? I guess if you don’t read it, I should just skip it too.
Maybe there is still hope for my side after all.
HA HA HA. I make no assumptions on gender. This is the internet. I would need a link for verification of gender.
whoops! Yep, the pidgeon is doing its job. And it is legal. I think we all should be proud of our democratic process in work and remember it is our democracy
I know you’re always right and really meant to say our republic process and our republic
so I’ll just overlook this slip of the pen (keyboard)
ReaderI do enjoy the comments though and am glad to see more responses by AJ as he defends his position.
I must be missing something. I haven’t seen AJ defend his position, just insisting you’re right isn’t a defense.
Gender? Well, okay then. You really don’t know what you type, past hitting the send button, it would seem.
FE, i guess you are catching up on your usual reactionary rhetoric.
Have a good time. HA HA HA