Apr 01 2012

Final Trayvon Martin Post For A While

Published by at 10:23 am under All General Discussions,Trayvon Martin Case

The scales of justice can move very slow, but then deliberation is a good thing when dealing with highly emotional and tragic situations. When people’s lives are at stake, taking the time to get it right is not a bad thing.

Clearly, the end result in the Tryavon Martin case is going to be one lost life and one ruined life. And almost as clearly, the one at fault is the one who bullishly pushed towards confrontation, dismissing all the off-ramps in front of him to avoid this disaster.

Since my last post we have learned a lot. We have learned (as I suspected early on) that George Zimmerman wanted to be a policeman, and was prone to playing cop (probably for the ego surge it gave him):

 Over the years, his scores of calls to police showed he pursued shoplifters and errant drivers with zeal, reporting pit bulls, potholes, children playing in the street, open garage doors and “suspicious” youths – usually black males – loitering in the street.

He peppered his calls with jargon familiar to police. In one case, he chased a reckless driver while calling 911 – the driver later told police he was terrified that Zimmerman was going to attack him. In another case, Zimmerman tailed a supermarket shoplifter until a police officer successfully arrested the thief.

However, in December 2008, he applied for a citizens’ police academy with the Seminole Sheriff’s Office. In his application, Zimmerman stressed his background with the law: He wrote that his father is a retired Virginia Supreme Court magistrate judge and his mother worked as a deputy clerk of courts.

Zimmerman never actually became a cop, but apparently he did attack one once.

Sanford neighborhood Crime Watch captain George Zimmerman has previously been arrested in 2005 for suspicion of battery on a law enforcement officer, but the charges were dropped for an unknown reason.

He also had a volatile, quick temper that turned to violence:

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

Connecting the dots here we see a lot of red flags. Violent behavior, a need to be in positions of power. Red flags a Grand Jury will see and ponder for themselves.

I agree with the lead investigator, who wanted Zimmerman arrested, on the charge I first noted he probably was guilty of:

The lead investigator probing the deadly shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin wanted neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, ABC News reports.

Investigator Chris Serino of the Sanford, Fla. Police Department wanted the 28-year-old Zimmerman behind bars, but the state Attorney’s Office said there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction, sources told ABC.

If you want to shut people like Al Sharpton up, then arrest Zimmerman. He’ll get out on bail and he can tyehn prove in a court (not the media) he is innocent.

He’s probably not, because he ignored warnings and opportunities to leave Trayvon alone until police arrived. Instead of sitting back, he went behind buildings – armed – to confront a ‘suspicious’ person. Something he was neither authorized or trained to do.

Now to cover up his misjudgement, Zimmerman has to concoct some tall tales. He has to claim victim-hood here. He tried to say Trayvon attacked him, but it is clear the witness on Trayvon’s cell phone (his girlfriend) has already began to challenge that line. Her testimony was taken weeks ago, before this blew up into a national issue. From what little I found on what the girlfriend has said, it sounds like Zimmerman made contact first:

At a March 20 news conference, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump says the girl hears someone ask Martin what he was doing and Martin asking why the person was following him. The girl gets the impression that there is an altercation in which the earpiece falls out of Martin’s ear and the connection goes dead, according to Crump.

According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after briefly losing track of Martin, the teen approached him. After exchanging words, Zimmerman says, he reached for his cell phone, and then Martin punched him in the nose.

Why reach for the phone (or something else)? Why not follow the kid to his house and be a neighborhood watch person (what I would have done)? Again, all this defies common sense.

The other tall tale that *may* be out there is Zimmerman being the one screaming for help. If this proves to be a falsehood stated by Zimmerman, he is toast:

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told the Sentinel that he used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman.

Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.

Here’s a good assessment on how Zimmerman’s story is starting to fall apart.

It really is time for Zimmerman to be charged and go to court. That is the only way to work this out now. If, has his side claims, Zimmerman can prove his innocence then it is time for him do that and clear this up for Trayvon’s family and everyone else. The police in Sanford need to realize that more violence could come of this if the arrest takes too long.

Previous posts:

As Details Come Out, George Zimmerman’s Claims Crumble
New Wrinkle In Trayvon Martin Killing While Leftwing Nuts Go Crazy
Attempts To Make Trayvon Martin’s Murder A Race Issue Will Destroy Obama’s 2012 Election Chances

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80 Responses to “Final Trayvon Martin Post For A While”

  1. AJStrata says:

    I form opinions on the facts. But moreover, I also apply the scientific principle and make predictions, which if they begin to come true I take as a modest indication I may be on the right path.

    As others have noted, the case will be (or should/must be) tried in a court and not in the media.

    And that is why we have the form of government we do, with public and open justice.

  2. ivehadit says:

    I do believe the Sanford police and the prosecutor/D.A. have the RIGHT to charge or not charge. If there was malfeasance on their part, the special prosecutor will expose it. Otherwise the D.A. has every right to do his/her job. If I am wrong I will stand corrected.

    Virtual lynching, indeed, imho. Can we say Duke Lacrosse?

  3. ivehadit says:

    And how much money not to mention emotion and stress were those Duke Lacrosse players placed under (and their families) because of another virtual lynching, imho?

    Judicial system run amok, imho.

  4. WWS says:

    “if da glove don’t fit, you must acquit!!!!”

    oh wait, wrong case. never mind.

  5. phaedruscj says:

    Strata – Unlike almost every other post on your blog you seem to have veered into left field on this one. You seem convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt for some reason. It is almost as if you or someone you know has been victimized in some way by some sort of neighborhood vigilante.

    You rely on the fact that the dispatcher ordered Zimmerman to not do something. There is information, if you are willing to consider it that this view is also not clear cut.

    Other inforamtion available on the local paper’s web site indicates that : If you Listen to the call, read the 911 transcript. After the dispatcher says “We don’t need you to do that” you hear Zimmerman say “Ok” — and then he stopped. His next discussion with the dispatcher was that he’d meet the police at his car. So he didn’t ignore the dispatcher, he followed the dispatcher’s request and stopped following Martin.

    In fact, he is on the 911 recording as saying that he lost sight of Martin and he then was returning to his vehicle. That is when Martin “appeared,” and hit him in the face to break his nose.

    Zimmerman ABSOLUTELY DID NOT continue to follow after the dispatcher said “we don’t need you to do that”, you can hear him say “he ran” (indicating that he lost sight of him, later you hear him say “I don’t know where that kid is”…. the call goes on for about 2 minutes after the dispatcher said that and it is OBVIOUS that Zimmerman was not following him during the remainder of the call. This is a small apartment complex with a security gate, Trayvon could have been back in the apt in the amount by the time that call ended. The altercation happened w/i 1 minute after the call ended, which is consistant with Zimmerman’s story that he walked over to the street sign to get the name of the street and was attacked by Trayvon on the way back to his truck. Also nowhere on that 911 call was Zimmerman told not to get out of his truck.

    I’d like know what the authority of a dispatcher actually is either. I don’t think a dispatchers suggestion especially in the weasel language used on the call constitutes a lawful police order. Can you prove that it does carry that authority in Florida. I doubt it.

  6. jan says:

    That’s the problem with this Martin/Zimmerman incident, is that new information, contradicting old information, keeps popping up. Now, I hadn’t heard any of the complete conversation that phaedruscj just parlayed above, which fills out the scene more, leading up to the fatal altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.

    There have been so many partial facts, contextual misrepresentations of what was said, heated rhetoric from the victim’s side, racial slurs — almost everything has been tainted, disturbed and distorted in this case. In the meantime, other violent crimes have taken place (i.e. a 21 year old Mississippi student killed in his dorm by 3 black men), which are not having the same temperature of reporting, interest, or marches attached to them. Why is there “no justice, no peace” simmering with these other deaths? Isn’t one person’s death as important as another’s?

    Also, as more is emerging about Martin and Zimmerman, each person is being shown to have both problems and assets in their lives. Zimmerman, as AJ keeps pointing out, appeared to have some anger management problems as well as a yearning to be associated with the police dept. These personality aspects seem to raise a red flag with AJ. But, what about Trayvon’s usage of drugs, his multiple suspensions from school, his gangster-like twitter postings, don’t these ascribe to a more thuggish teen, be it either a developmental stage he was going through, or maybe even a trend in his life?

    IMO, all the black race baiters should just go home. The media should cease talking about unsubstantiated information fragments, as well as doctored figments of their own reporting machinations. And, a more methodical form of justice should wind it’s way around, until as much of the truth can be uncovered, processed and forwarded to the proper authorities as possible. Also, this tragic incident should be no more prominent than any of the other killed or murdered young/old men and women in this country, as it leaves scars and holes for everyone’s family, not just Trayvon Martin’s family.

  7. phaedruscj says:

    The so called audio expert Tom Owen is no expert after all. wow Strata do some research. But he does have a new voice recognition software program on the market. Just a coincidence I’m sure.

  8. jan says:

    That’s weird.

    I posted a comment which appeared on this thread, and now has disappeared!

    Is that called post-posting moderation?

  9. oneal lane says:

    WWS ,

    I hope the tornados missed your part of Texas!


  10. Frogg1 says:

    Alan Dershowitz says if he were defending George Zimmerman, he’d have a good chance of winning the case.

    “But when the forensics come out finally, and when the autopsy comes out, we’ll find it’s a much more nuanced case. And it will turn largely on who hit the first blow. And since there are no real witnesses to that, there may, inevitably, be reasonable doubt under Florida law.” — Alan Dershowitz-

    Alan Dershowitz and Patricia Cromwell are interviewed by Piers Morgan. They both bring up good points about questions on what the forensics evidence might show (and what investigators would be looking for).

  11. Frogg1 says:

    Prosecutor: Account that he, police chief opted not to arrest Martin’s shooter a ‘lie’

    “An “outraged” Florida prosecutor fired back on Monday at the family of Trayvon Martin, describing as “outright lies” their account that he and a local police chief met and decided not to follow a detective’s advice and arrest the teenager’s killer.”

  12. ivehadit says:

    I highly recommend this article for reading today:
    “Zimmerman and Ketman”
    By Jeff Lipkes


    FTA: “…until the Seminole County Grand Jury convenes on April 10, or the special prosecutor files charges, which may happen earlier, any account of what happened has to be based on what the tapes disclose.”

    VERY interesting information and facts from the tapes in this article.

  13. WWS says:

    thanks, o’neal! In fact a pretty intense hailstorm passed over us about an hour ago, but we got the cars in the garage and no obvious damage done. Saw a picture today from Dallas with a semi-trailer being thrown about 100′ up in the air!

  14. Redteam says:

    ivehadit, that American Thinker article is very good and doesn’t seemed to have formed an opinion, only attempted to state what they think the 911 tapes said and what it means.
    There is no way the grand jury is going to indict Zimmerman. The only possible justification would have to be racism. If Zimmerman becomes a ham sandwich (a prosecutor can always get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich) once it goes to a jury trial, it will be a big waste of time and money and there is no way he would be found guilty.

  15. ivehadit says:

    Glad you’re safe, wws and all the Texas posters here…

  16. Frogg1 says:

    Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, something similar to a lie detector test, that was administered by Sanford police

  17. WWS says:

    boy, did any of you see the demand by the 5th circuit yesterday, that the DOJ explain in writing it’s view on whether or not the Judiciary has the power to overturn constitutionally bad law? There is a virtual war now between the Judiciary and the Executive now, and I can’t think of a time since Andy Jackson’s presidency that the relationship has been this tense.

  18. Redteam says:

    Yeah, I was gonna comment on that, but didn’t get around to it. The other big thing is the Dims calling for a boycott of Walmart and Coke because of voter identification. In my opinion, the only people that don’t support voter ID are those that support voter fraud. Yep, sound like the Dims all right.

  19. WWS says:

    a boycott of Walmart and coke? LOL – the only people who would consider doing that are the people who would never show up at a Walmart or drink a coke anyways. Unions have been trying that Walmart boycott crap for 20 years now, hasn’t made a single dent on their sales yet.

  20. Layman says:


    I’ve been waiting for the new post telling us that we must face reality… that Romney will be the nominee… and that we must unite to support him even if we don’t think he’s the greatest candidate… that we must get rid of Obama!!!

    “I form opinions on the facts. But moreover, I also apply the scientific principle and make predictions, which if they begin to come true I take as a modest indication I may be on the right path.” -AJ Strata