Mar 25 2012

New Wrinkle In Trayvon Martin Killing While Leftwing Nuts Go Crazy

Published by at 8:29 am under All General Discussions,Trayvon Martin Case


As I noted yesterday, the tragedy surrounding the death of young Trayvon Martin is about to be eclipsed by left wing political vultures looking for any reason to get in the news. The worst offenders now being the New Black Panther Party, coming out with their tired old racism:

And in Sanford, Florida, a handful of members from the New Black Panther Party rallied and offered a $10,000 reward for Zimmerman’s “capture.”

“It’s time for us, as black men, to take justice in our own hands. If you won’t give us justice, we will have to take justice,” said Florida organizer Mikhail Muhammad. “An eye for an eye. A life for a life.”

The New Black Panther Party, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as a “virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization,” …

Yeah, that’s what we need – more vigilantes like George Zimmerman. What we need is to let the authorities work out what happened. Justice is slow, but usually it works.

A lot of news outlets are wrongfully claiming that the anonymous witness stated that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman. Everything I saw only noted the witness stating that Trayvon was winning the hand-to-hand fighting. I have not seen anything beyond conjecture to bolster this idea that he started the fight.

But in the above referenced article I did read a detail that bolsters the idea that Trayvon had a right to feel threatened by this unknown stalker – in a truck:

Zimmerman said he was driving in his gated community when he saw Martin walking and called 911 to report a suspicious person.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was following the boy, but the dispatcher told him that wasn’t necessary. Moments later, several neighbors called 911 to report a commotion outside, and police arrived to find Martin dead of a gunshot wound.


Sanford police said Zimmerman did not indicate a chase, telling them instead that “he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon,” the police said in the letter posted by Bonaparte.

Emphasis mine. So initially Zimmerman is following Trayvon in his truck. That is pretty nerve racking as it is, especially alone at night. Could have been gangs, could have been a nut – who knows. That would make me nervous – no doubt.

But then Zimmerman gets out of his truck – with his gun (he does not leave it in the truck). Is his gun drawn? Who knows.

He goes looking for Trayvon – since he indicates ‘he had lost sight of Trayvon”. Clearly Trayvon hid from Zimmerman – tried to stay away. But Zimmerman keeps coming, now on foot. And so Trayvon attacks his stalker – a bad decision, but no worse than Zimmerman’s decision to continue pursuit when police told him to back off. Now it seems evident that Trayvon had clearly tried to be left alone by hiding.

We only have Zimmerman’s word he was jumped by a hidden Trayvon, not that he had cornered and threatened Trayvon into action. But I say it again – if Zimmerman had just stayed in his truck, Trayvon would still be alive.

I still say Zimmerman escalated this into a disaster. I have seen his type before and they love the ego boost of playing sheriff. But he was not trained, and he got into a scuffle with a young kid. Then killed him.

36 responses so far

36 Responses to “New Wrinkle In Trayvon Martin Killing While Leftwing Nuts Go Crazy”

  1. crosspatch says:

    Turn the tables and imagine some white supremacist behaving in the manner that Jackson and Sharpton are behaving after the murder of a white kid by a black man. Considering the legacy of how black Americans have been treated in the past, these behaviors are extremely ironic. They themselves have become exactly what it is they claim to be trying to rid America of.

  2. ivehadit says:

    Was Zimmerman patrolling because the neighbors were sick and tired of being violated by break ins?

    Much sympathy to go around for all involved.

  3. AJStrata says:

    Jan, Sorry for the delay getting your comments out of moderation. On travel with family and did not check in last night.


  4. AJStrata says:


    The fact Zimmerman was losing his fight with Trayvon does not mean Trayvon started the fight. It means a young football player is stronger than a 28 year old watch capital.

    Remember, this is Trayvon’s home too. He was returning from a convenience store to his father’s house. How many times had he done this? I am waiting to learn this was not their first encounter. Would not surprise me in the least.

    But I agree it should investigated, and if Zimmerman had opportunity to deflate the situation, he is still the negligent killer. No citizen has the right to confront another I public. They are not law enforcement. Stand your ground applies to Trayvon as well.

  5. Layman says:

    Careful there AJ… some of your readers might decide that you’ve crossed the line… expressing your opinion on your own opinion blog. They’ll demand proof of your psychic abilities.

  6. WWS says:

    foolish people think that a CCP is something like a hunting or fishing license, something that you just pay for and then do what you want with. It isn’t.

    A CCP is a certification by the State that the holder has the proper training, the mental fitness, and the moral character which will allow them to carry a weapon in public responsibly. This is why all of us who hold a CCP hate so much to see some foolish man misuse his permit the way Zimmerman did here – his failure reflects badly on us all.

    Not only should a CCP holder have a higher and better understanding than the general public of the responsibilities and the law when it comes to weapons, a CCP holder is REQUIRED by the State to have a higher and better understanding of these things! That’s why there is not only a training course required, but a full background check by the state (in Texas, it’s done by the Rangers) which looks not just for criminal history but also for any indications of mental instability. It’s much like a mid level security clearance on the federal level – no pass, no permit.

    Anyone who takes a belligerent attitude with regard to handguns, rather than a cautious, respectful, and profoundly humble attitude, has proved at the outset that they’re mentally unfit for such a trust to be placed in them. Zimmerman is a prime example of a man who misused his CCP to go looking for trouble, and he found it.

    A CCP is *only* to be used for those instances when trouble comes looking for you, and it’s the licensee’s responsibility to avoid trouble as much as is reasonably possible. That’s the trust that society, through the State, puts in you when you are granted such a license. It’s a significant burden to carry, and it should be.

  7. oneal lane says:

    No-one here “knows” the facts, and neither do I.

    It’s usless to armchair this, for that is what the media and the “Left” are doing, shamelessly.

  8. crosspatch says:

    But I agree it should investigated, and if Zimmerman had opportunity to deflate the situation, he is still the negligent killer. No citizen has the right to confront another I public. They are not law enforcement. Stand your ground applies to Trayvon as well.

    If Zimmerman had lost sight of him and was walking back to his truck and the kid attacked him, it is hard to judge the state of mind of the person being attacked. He did apparently call out for help and he did apparently suffer the beating for some period of time before the kid was shot. But there would probably be no way of knowing the kid’s potential to do harm. I’m gathering that Zimmerman didn’t know who the kid was and didn’t know how much damage the kid could inflict. So put yourself in Zimmerman’s position, you are supposedly walking back to your truck and someone jumps you from behind.

    Zimmerman did not shoot the kid immediately. He did call out for help. It is obvious from the damage done to Zimmerman (apparently a broken nose and an injury to the back of the head) that the kid was able to get a few good punches in.

    If you buy the notion that he was an innocent kid walking back from the convenience store and was afraid of Zimmerman following him and hid, that’s fine. But then why, when he got a clear shot at jumping Zimmerman when he had the element of surprise on his side, did he suddenly attack him? Why wouldn’t he have remained hidden until police arrived so he could leave the area and return home?

    Zimmerman was stupid to follow the kid.

    My point isn’t in defending Zimmerman so much as it is to decry the “lynch mob” mentality exhibited by Jackson et. al. where they exhibit exactly the same mentality that they claim they want to get rid of in this country. It becomes very clear in their actions that they really want no such thing. But it doesn’t appear to be a case where Zimmerman was simply out to shoot someone.

  9. AJStrata says:


    Latest details show Zimmerman was NOT attacked. He had ‘words’ – to the point the kid decked him.

    Forget it my friend, Zimmerman is not worthy of your support or defense. He killed a kid and needs to pay for his mistakes.

    And one way to deflate the mob mentality we ALL deplore (since it will lead to more of these tragedies) is to arrest Zimmerman and make him face justice. He may walk, but we cannot let him not even go unchallenged.

  10. R. mccue says:

    ?I concede that all I know about this incident is what is on the news. Which is nothing. I do find it
    interesting that, although all are calling for justice, the justice called for is the shooter be arrested
    and jailed. How about the justice of a complete investigation, of all the facts, to determine the
    proper disposition of the incident?

  11. AJStrata says:


    I am calling for a trial. Zimmerman will get out on bail.

    I have listened to his 911 tape and he is out to get Martin. Calls him an asshole! Concludes he is drugged.

    Nuts. My prediction is Zimmerman caves before the week is out an confesses.

  12. Redteam says:

    WWS, now I can almost agree with what you said about the CCP since you have carefully edited out the ‘special insight’ that you originally claimed it gave to the owner.

    But here is another one of those baffling statements: “Not only should a CCP holder have a higher and better understanding than the general public of the responsibilities and the law when it comes to weapons, a CCP holder is REQUIRED by the State to have a higher and better understanding of these things! ”

    So say you are a CCP holder and I’m not. tell me how they measure whether you fulfill this: ” a CCP holder is REQUIRED by the State to have a higher and better understanding of these things!” Do they test you against a non holder to make this determination? Remember, based on your statement you are REQUIRED to have a better understanding than I do and I’m going to claim that unless I, a non-holder, is tested and evaluated, there is no way you can prove you have met the requirement.

    Do you ever re-read some of your ‘off the wall’ statements? I guess that’s why you dropped your claim of ‘special insight’.

    At least you are good for a few good laughs. I hope you don’t take yourself too seriously.

  13. Redteam says:

    Since predictions are being made, here’s mine:
    Zimmerman walks, no arrest.

  14. R. mccue says:

    my prediction: Zimmerman should walk. If half of what is reported is true Zimmerman was the victim, and all that will come from this rush to “justice” is riots when the truth comes out

  15. Layman says:

    Redteam: Still picking nits, huh?

    A CCP holder is required to pass a background check and take a course which covers firearms safety, handling, and the law (specifically related to firearms). Since the average lay person hasn’t done this the CCP holder should/will be better informed and have greater insight (about the law) than the average person who doesn’t hold said permit. I don’t understand your resistance to acknowledging said circumstances (which I will claim as fact).

    No one ever said that a lay person cannot possibly possess such knowledge/insight/training. Many probably do, i.e. former military personnel, former law enforcement officials, people who have chosen to acquire this knowledge and training, and of course people such as yourself who know everything about everything .

  16. Layman says:

    My home state is Arizona. I think they recently got rid of their requirements to have a CC permit. But take with me a trip back in time a year or so…

    Arizona is an open carry State. Anyone, without any training or education, is allowed to carry in the open.

    The AZ concealed carry permit requires the things listed in my previous post. I’ll state as fact that the person who has passed the requirements for the AZ CCP is more highly qualified and has greater insight into the law than Joe Average carrying openly.