Jul 16 2008
Birth Certificate Madness
Well, since I dove into this mess of the Obama Certificate Of Birth (COLB) I have become really disturbed at how rank amateurs can go out and make outrageous claims and be taken seriously. One of the worst offenders is someone called “Polarik” over at townhall.com. Today he posted another demonstration of an axiom one of my managers, from early in my career, coined: “A fool with a tool, is still a fool”.  I always like to add “Just more productive”.
You can see this shining example of twisted logic here, but the bottom line is the man is comparing to different version of COLB and claiming the differences in the formats mean one is a forgery (which as I noted here were due to the Real ID Act). He is looking at a 2002 COLB from a Ms Decosta and the 2007 COLB from Obama. He is stunned to find the background colors don’t match – Doh! The borders don’t match, the papers don’t match, either.
As I said before when another expert discovered there have been upgrades to the Hawaii COLB documents and declared “forgery” I have one thing to say – No shit Sherlock! Â BTW, that other expert has acknowledged there were upgrades to the COLB formats.
Hey folks, want to see the forgery I found? Â I compared two copies of NASA’s logo and discovered subtle differences that could only mean one is a forgery:
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Now, if I can only figure out which one is the fake I would be just like these other folks ….
There is however one big issue I have with the COLBs being presented.
I was stationed in Pearl for about 14 years and had dozens of occasions to be in the same office that issued this for other business.
Wedding licenses for sailors in my division, divorce papers, death certificates and COLB copies and proof of stillbirth.
One thing consistent over all those dozens of records were that they all were embossed with a stamp that was done by an electric powered motor driven cam operated stamping machine due to the high traffic volume in the office. Only on one occasion was a hand crimped version used and that was because the machine was out of service and being repaired.
The embossed stamp was FULLY impressed into the document and none of them were any where near the faint impression some of these COLBs have shown. You could run your fingers over the seal and feel it on both sides of the document and it was fully formed and totally legible.
Similar machines were used in the property appraisers office and land title transfer and sales office.
Not one of those documents of by then hundreds that passed through my hands had such poor stamps.
So for that reason alone I lean toward bogus docs.
MerlinOS2 wrote:
[…..]
Not one of those documents of by then hundreds that passed through my hands had such poor stamps.
So for that reason alone I lean toward bogus docs.”
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The Texasdarlin blog now has a scan of the back of a recently issued COLB, but the seal still cannot be easily seen.
Ray, you quoted this:
“One thing has clearly come out of all this. You do not have to be born a US citizen to become president of the US.â€
but ignored this:
“And I’m not talking about hussein Obama, I’m talking about anyone.”
The main reason for suspecting the Obama colb is real is because if someone were forging one, it would have been much more perfect. I suspect there are several fake copies floating around and no real copies floating around, deliberately, to cause a lot of confusion. I’ve even seen, maybe on this site, evidence that Obama was born in canada. I don’t care where he was born, he seems to have been able to prove to someone’s satisfaction that he is a US citizen and that was my point. whether fake or not, he satisfied the requirements. As I said, I’m convinced if he were born in the middle of the Amazon jungle the child of a couple from one of the lost tribes, if someone wanted to prove he is a US citizen, satisfactory forged documents could be provided. On the other hand, I’ve seen cases where people were born in the US of US citizens that had problems establishing their citizenship. Enough money in the right hands can solve all those problems.
Redteam wrote:
Ray, you quoted this:
“One thing has clearly come out of all this. You do not have to be born a US citizen to become president of the US.â€
but ignored this:
“And I’m not talking about hussein Obama, I’m talking about anyone.â€
[Ray]: It is quite normal for me to ignore comments that are silly – especially those like yours with religious or racial animosity showing through.
[Entitlement to be president]
That’s right, a person doesn’t have to have been born a U.S. citizen to become President; they only need to hold the appropriate documentation, and if necessary, be able to defeat all legal challenges regarding:
(a) The validity of the documents.
(b) The purported facts in the documents.
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[Redteam]: The main reason for suspecting the Obama colb is real is because if someone were forging one, it would have been much more perfect.
[Ray]: It depends on what you mean by that. For example ‘more perfect’ lettering or artwork for the border would be a dead give-away. That is one reason why I challenged the techno-trolls to try and ‘forge’ a part of a COLB – because I know they would almost certainly produce something that was ‘more perfect’ but obviously not genuine AND provable as such in a scientific manner. Obama’s COLB _is_ actually as perfect as one would expect when the we consider how it was produced.
[Redteam]: I suspect there are several fake copies floating around and no real copies floating around, deliberately, to cause a lot of confusion.
[Ray]: No, apart from the obvious prank certificates, they are all real copies that were derived from of Obama’s original scan.
[Redteam]: I’ve even seen, maybe on this site, evidence that Obama was born in canada.
[Ray]: “Evidence” doesn’t always equate with proof, and in this case you are not citing evidence, but stupid defamatory speculation. If someone provided ‘evidence’ that Obama’s mother was in Canada just before he was born, it would be of great interest, but you are referring to Obama’s mother being seen in a totally different country AFTER Obama was born, so your ‘evidence’ is totally ridiculous.
[Redteam]: I don’t care where he was born, he seems to have been able to prove to someone’s satisfaction that he is a US citizen and that was my point. whether fake or not, he satisfied the requirements.
[Ray]: And he could (if necessary) keep on providing STACKS of evidence to corroborate his claim that he was born when and where his COLB says he was. There are heaps of witnesses whose evidence, both verbal and documentary, could collectively provide proof beyond reasonable doubt that Obama’s mother had a brown skinned male baby in August 1961 and that she didn’t swap him for some other brown skinned baby at any time thereafter.
[Redteam]: As I said, I’m convinced if he were born in the middle of the Amazon jungle the child of a couple from one of the lost tribes, if someone wanted to prove he is a US citizen, satisfactory forged documents could be provided.
[Ray]: But that would not be sufficient if evidence showed that the documents were falsified.
[Redteam]: On the other hand, I’ve seen cases where people were born in the US of US citizens that had problems establishing their citizenship. Enough money in the right hands can solve all those problems.
[Ray]: That’s not the case with Obama because there’s a chain of strong evidence that runs from Kansas, before he was born, right through to the blogosphere- where his COLB was presented for all and sundry to inspect and (if necessary) challenge. So far, no one has challenged ONE thing in his COLB. All we have is hysteria, nutters, trolls, morons, mental patients, bigots, and ignorant racists trying unsuccessfully to defame him.
He’s never been my favourite for President, but I’m starting to like the guy after seeing how he’s got an understanding of Islam, Racism and other cultures, and more importantly, how he understands how people think – so much so, that he keeps causing waves AS IF he’s trying to lose the election. It now seems to me that he’s been gradually showing everyone how strong and switched-on he really is.
If these dopes tried the same “forgery” stunt on a Republican candidate I think I’d be just as verbose because it would be wrong to have slammed them for Gitmo, Habeas Corpus, Ghost flights, Waterboarding etc — which were all wrong – without slamming something else that was ALSO plain wrong.
Ray
Ray, first, you use the term, troll, a lot. You are very new to this blog and I don’t know if you’re a troll or not, and don’t care. Most of the posters you are referring to have been here a long time. all I care about is the sensibility of your argument. And there’s not much wrong with it. The word evidence can mean several things. when I said I’d seen ‘evidence’ that obama was born in canada, I didn’t make any quantitative assessment of that evidence and as I said, I don’t care if it’s valid or not.
I said: “if someone wanted to prove he is a US citizen, satisfactory forged documents ”
and you said:”But that would not be sufficient if evidence showed that the documents were falsified.”
isn’t that a little silly, I said “satisfactory forged” not some that evidence showed were falsified, evidently they’re not satisfactory if evidence showed them to be falsified, would it?
I do take offense to this, you said:”It is quite normal for me to ignore comments that are silly – especially those like yours with religious or racial animosity showing through.”
There is no religious or racial anything in any of my statements.
You chose to ignore what I said and launched right into an argument as if I were talking about Obama. I said I was specifically NOT talking about him, I was talking about ANYONE.
so, let me tell you a very brief TRUE story. When I needed a certified copy of my birth certificate very quickly for a passport, the procedure called for me to provide a notarized statement to the Health Dept vital statistics then it would be mailed to me. I called the office and asked if it could be speeded up and was told no. Then the woman asked me my name and when I told her, she said, oh, I know you (she didn’t, she knew my uncle with the same name), I’ll go ahead and send it out, just promise you’ll go ahead and provide the notarized statement and the check. I did. I got the birth certificate. For all she knew, I might have been Barack Obama telling her that. I might have been born in Russia for all she knew. See my point. I didn’t have to be a US citizen to get that piece of paper.
this quote of yours:”That’s not the case with Obama because there’s a chain of strong evidence that runs from Kansas, before he was born, right through to the blogosphere- where his COLB was presented for all and sundry to inspect and (if necessary) challenge. So far, no one has challenged ONE thing in his COLB.”
that is clearly speculation on your part, a chain of strong evidence ? no way. no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb? really? what about his father’s race? to say that’s not challenged is like saying red is white.
It sounds as if you’re clearly in the tank for Obama and only see the evidence that you want to see. There is lot’s of evidence to the contrary. Good evidence? only as good as you want it to be.
Just because you buy things that you like, doesn’t mean they are selling to everyone. Is Obama a US citizen? don’t know, don’t care. It seems you care, for some reason, but don’t assume others share your preferences.
Redteam wrote:
[Redteam]: Ray, first, you use the term, troll, a lot. You are very
new to this blog and I don’t know if you’re a troll or not, and don’t care. Most of the posters you are referring to have been here a long time.
[Ray]: It’s no good thowing in red herrings like that because it’s
quite obvious that teh nutters I was referring to are spraed far and wide and we are reading their nonsense.
[Redteam]: all I
care about is the sensibility of your argument. And there’s not much wrong with it. The word evidence can mean several things. when I said I’d seen ‘evidence’ that obama was born in canada, I didn’t make any quantitative assessment of that evidence and as I said, I don’t care
if it’s valid or not.
[Redteam]: I said:
“if someone wanted to prove he is a US citizen, satisfactory forged documents could be provided”
and you said
â€But that would not be sufficient if evidence showed that
the documents were falsified.â€
[Redteam]: isn’t that a little silly, I said “satisfactory forged†not
some that evidence showed were falsified, evidently they’re not
satisfactory if evidence showed them to be falsified, would it?
[Ray]: The term “satisfactorily falsified” doesn’t mean the
falsification will not be discovered. A document can be falsified or
even 100% legitimate and legal due to errors or misrepresentation, and still be nullified afterwards.
For example you could hold a falsified or even a perfectly legal
drivers licence, but still not (legally) “hold” a drivers licence due
to it’s cancellation.
A person could also hold a falsified or perfectly legal birth
certificate, but it wouldn’t be THEIR birth certificate if they had
been accidentally or fraudulently swapped in the nursery at a
hospital.
[Redteam]: I do take offense to this, you said:â€It is quite normal for me to ignore comments that are silly – especially those like yours with religious or racial animosity showing through.†[…]
[Ray]: Of course you did – by using his name incorrectly – by
deliberately placing his second name first.
[Redteam]: so, let me tell you a very brief TRUE story. When I needed a certified copy of my birth certificate very quickly for a passport, the procedure called for me to provide a notarized statement to the Health Dept vital statistics then it would be mailed to me. I called the office and asked if it could be speeded up and was told no. Then the woman asked me my name and when I told her, she said, oh, I know you
(she didn’t, she knew my uncle with the same name), I’ll go ahead and send it out, just promise you’ll go ahead and provide the notarized statement and the check. I did. I got the birth certificate. For all she knew, I might have been Barack Obama telling her that. I might have been born in Russia for all she knew. See my point. I didn’t have
to be a US citizen to get that piece of paper.
[Ray]: It was only a piece of paper – and not YOUR piece of paper until it was notarized.
[Redteam]: this quote of yours:â€That’s not the case with Obama
because there’s a chain of strong evidence that runs from Kansas, before he was born, right through to the blogosphere- where his COLB was presented for all and sundry to inspect and (if necessary) challenge. So far, no one has challenged ONE thing in his COLB.†that is clearly speculation on your part, a chain of strong evidence ?
no way.
[Ray]: There’s heaps of evidence and a whole logical story behind him..
[Redteam]: no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb? really? what about his father’s race? to say that’s not challenged is like saying red is white.
[Ray]: Yeah – nutters. There’s no been no credible challenge to his father’s race. His father was (and looked) like a man from a Kenyan
tribe and his African (Kenyan) grandfather converted from
Christianity
to Islam while on his travels while working for the British occupiers
of HIS country..
[Redteam]: It sounds as if you’re clearly in the tank for Obama and
only see the
evidence that you want to see.
[Ray]: I’m always astonished by the number of people who
‘project’ stuff like that onto others when it is THEY who are the
ones who are doing it.
[Redteam]: There is lot’s of evidence to the
contrary. Good evidence? only as good as you want it to be.
[Ray]: No, there’s no evidence – just wild speculation and
also defamatory allegations of a major crime.
[Redteam]: Just because you buy things that you like, doesn’t
mean they are selling to everyone. Is Obama a US citizen? don’t
know, don’t care.
[Ray]: He is not only a U.S. citizen, he has has a certificate that
say he was BORN a U.S. citizen and he can provide heaps of
evidence to prove it.
[Redteam]: It seems you care, for some reason, but don’t
assume others share your preferences.
[Ray]: Yes, I care, and my vested interest (which colours my opinions) is fair play for everyone – which is at the very core of most justice systems on the planet. Admittedly it’s a bit hard sometimes to decide what’s fair when we look at things in the Middle East with Western eyes, but small things like this are easy.
Ray
Ray, you don’t read too well, do you?
“[Redteam]: no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb? really? what about his father’s race? to say that’s not challenged is like saying red is white.
[Ray]: Yeah – nutters. There’s no been no credible challenge to his father’s race. His father was (and looked) like a man from a Kenyan
tribe and his African (Kenyan) grandfather converted from
Christianity”
I didn’t question his race. you said no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb.
I said they have challenged his race ON THE COLB, it says African. Do you challenge if African is a race or not? Kenyan, incidentially is also not a race.
If you spent more time understanding what someone says (or writes) you would probably spend more time not arguing lost causes.
You say that using someone’s middle name is racist? I use my middle name all the time and I certainly don’t think I’m racist just because I use my middle name.
Now this statement:
[Ray]: He is not only a U.S. citizen, he has has a certificate that
say he was BORN a U.S. citizen and he can provide heaps of
evidence to prove it.
is patently false. There is no way you can know what is true or not. and he can provide heaps of evidence to prove it? such as? why hasn’t he? In fact, why hasn’t he released just ONE piece of evidence.
Just because you’re in the tank for him and believe in him, even without that ONE piece of evidence doesn’t mean anyone else does.
By the way, I didn’t say my birth certificate had to be notarized, only my request for one. More evidence that you only read into a statement what you want to read into it. spend more time reading and understanding, not arguing.
Redteam wrote:
Ray, you don’t read too well, do you?
“[Redteam]: no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb? really? what about his father’s race? to say that’s not challenged is like saying red is white.
[Ray]: Yeah – nutters. There’s no been no credible challenge to his father’s race. His father was (and looked) like a man from a Kenyan tribe and his African (Kenyan) grandfather convertedfrom Christianityâ€
[Redteam]: I didn’t question his race.
[Ray]: You certainly did when you included yourself with the others when you asked: — “what about his father’s race?
[Redteam]: you said no one has challenged ONE thing on his colb.
I said they have challenged his race ON THE COLB, it says African.
[Ray]: And you were also challenging.
[Redteam]: Do you challenge if African is a race or not?
[Ray]: No – never, in the context which it was used by Hawaii to describe a person in one word.
[Redteam]: Kenyan, incidentially is also not a race.
[Ray]: What’s with all the red herrings and strawman arguments?
[Redteam]: If you spent more time understanding what someone says (or writes) you would probably spend more time not arguing lost causes.
[Ray]: Understanding strawman arguments and red herrings is of no great inmterest to me.
[Redteam]: You say that using someone’s middle name is racist?
[Ray]: No I didn’t say that at all – you made THAT up too. It was in your case a demonstration of racism or religious bigotry when you did it to emphasise the Islamic or Arabic name that Obama’s grandfather took after converting from Christianity to Islam.
[Redteam]: Now this statement:
[Ray]: He is not only a U.S. citizen, he has has a certificate that
say he was BORN a U.S. citizen and he can provide heaps of
evidence to prove it.
[Redteam]: is patently false. There is no way you can know what is true or not. and he can provide heaps of evidence to prove it? such as? why hasn’t he? In fact, why hasn’t he released just ONE piece of evidence.
[Ray]: Obama’s history and background has ben well and truly documented because he or his immediate family have been injecting evidence into America’s legal system throughout the whole of the 20th and 21st century, and much of it has been checked and re-checked — not by nutters and defamers, but by ordinary, reasonable people and dedicated security staff employed by various government agencies.
His and his family’s life history has also been examined far more than most other people on the planet by journalists, politicians, academics etc, and none of them have produced anything that doesn’t add up or make sense about his birth date or place.
[Redteam]: Just because you’re in the tank for him and believe in him, even without that ONE piece of evidence doesn’t mean anyone else does.
[Ray]: You keep ignoring what I said. I am not an Obama fan at all. I would like to see Hillary get in – not because she’s the best, but because she’s the best the Democrats can put up.
[Redteam]: By the way, I didn’t say my birth certificate had to be notarized, only my request for one. More evidence that you only read into a statement what you want to read into it. spend more time reading and understanding, not arguing.
[Ray]: Say something sensible and I’ll read it more carefully.
Ray, I’m just gonna conclude you’re illiterate and leave it at that.
You say something and when I question it, you deny you said it. That’s not only illiterate, it’s dishonest. good bye.
Redteam wrote:
“Ray, I’m just gonna conclude you’re illiterate and leave it at that.
You say something and when I question it, you deny you said it. That’s not only illiterate, it’s dishonest. good bye”
Saying that doesn’t make it true. It was in fact YOU who repeatedly put up strawman arguments, red herrings, distortions and lies.
Ray
SUITABLE MATERIAL FOR THIS MADNESS THREAD:
The “Texasdarlin” blog i.e. (condensed madness)
07.17 – TD announces “So many suspicious readers!
07.17 – Anticipating a report by Techdude shortly.
07.17 – Realized HI used condended B/Certificates from 2001
07.17 – Discovered actually Hawaii keeps all of it’s records
07.17 – TD — “I know that Hawaii has on file his original BC”
07.17 – Above is true [..] ONLY IF there is a Hawaii BC for Obama
07.17 – Michele scanned back of her COLB – no seal visible
07.17 – “Michele (new COLB holder) is not running for President”
07.17 – Michele is more transparent than Barack Obama!
07.17 – TD Thinks Polarik & Techdude are experts 🙂
07.17 – Doesn’t know whether the BO COLB is the real thing.
07.17 – KD – I demanded that BO release his file 🙂
07.17 – “El says” “It’s ridiculous to jump thru hoops for BO info.
07.17 – “El” requires all birth info (even tho HI doesn’t issue it).
07.17 – Polarik says he doubts B Obama was born in 1961
07.17 – “ksdb” doesn’t know why COLB No. is blocked out 🙂
07.17 – TD – “Obama should be as transparenta s Michele”
07.17 – “jmk” thinks BO wasa born in a different year
07.17 – “katmandu” thinks BO born before Hawaii was a state
07.17 – “El” – BO’s seal os smaller than Decosta [Wrong]
07.18 – Ray advises KD all seals are under legal size [ignored]
07.18 – Ray advises KD she is actually a racist bigot [banned]
07.18 – AJ continues posting comon sense articles [banned]
07.18 – “El” thinks Hawaii COLB border design is “crazy”
07.18 – Polarik denies he said headings were forged [UNTRUE]
07.18 – Polarik – Kos jpg (0.5MB smaller) is identical to F/check.
07.18 – Polarik – There is only one fold in BO COLB
07.18 – “koyaan” exposes Polarik’s contradictions [banned]
07.18 – TD posts lies about Ray and what he actually said.
AJ: there is a big difference between postulating your own theories, and trying to personally humiliate me and denigrating my work. It’s even more egregious, given how little you understood what I read, while at the same time, interjecting false and misleading commentaries.
In other words, compared to what I know, you don’t know your “alias” from your elbow about computer graphics.
Since its obvious from your “analyses” that you continually and completely misrepresent my work, I think you would do well to enroll in remedial reading courses.
It would have also helped if you had bothered to read the other 11 posts that came out well before the one that you’ve pissed on.
Your analyses vary among being off-the-mark, to being silly, to being a bunch of bullcrap, to being bald-faced lies.
So, allow me to give you a taste of your own medicine.
Here’s a prime example :
From your first “Myth busted” skreed you claimed:
“First I noted the certificate was a recent production that is made by a laser printer and is on a form put in place in 2001 (look at the lower right hand corner of any version of the certificate for this information). ”
Wow! what a discovery, Einstein. A two-year old could see that.
“I also noted a stamped date from the back which bled through on the two version (one on the DailyKos and one on the Obama campaign site) which shows this modern version was produced around Jun 6 2007”
Yet another earth-shaking revelation! Your blog post is dated, “July 6” or about five weeks after everyone else on the planet mentioned it.
Why? Here’s your lame excuse:
“I have been putting off this posting on this matter because there has never been anything ‘discovered’ that proved a forgery, ”
It should have read, “I have been putting off this posting on this matter because I don’t have a f*cking clue what others have been sayting about it.”
What has never been discovered are the reasons why you could not grasp even the simple concepts I prfesented.
Here’s another example:
“I discovered 2 dots from the laser printer that can be found on all three files (some folks just recently discovered the large one next to the image of the state seal)”
Only “two” dots? Nice work, Sherlock. There are dozens of dots that are not “from the laser printer,” but from crap on the scanner glass that was copied along with the COLB itself.
BUT, the quote that “seals the deal” on how much of a fraud you are is this quote:
“I could detect the impression of the state seal stamp and signature area on two of the files.”
You got Superman eyes? Maybe you saw a some disturbed areas on the COLB. But, the truth is, that if you had never seen what a genuine COLB looks like, such as DeCosta’s, you would not even know what goes there. Also if you had not already read any of the image enhancement analyses, you cannot see jack with your naked eyes — especially the signature block.
But, you yourself admitted to seeing them, “days ago,” and you
also included in your write-up the images subjected to edge and luminescent enhancements. So, are we supposed to believe that you never saw them, or looked at any other person’s COLB image prior to you “detecting” the seal and the blob that could be a signature block, or a bull’s balls?
The “Seals and signature block” on the Smears and OpenDNA images CANNOT BE SEEN, even under image enhancement, yet you’re claiming that you saw it with your naked eyes.
And there’s an alien spaceship in Area 51 along with a dead ET.
These are bald-faced lies, and you know they are. Basically, with these comments, you just shot yourself in the foot with a bazooka!
Again, I had the comparisons of those three (actually four) images posted on my blog post, “Who’s got the edge?” And again, you failed to read it.
But, for fun, let’s continue:
“In my analysis I find the Kos version to be the highest quality image file of the original document, produced in Jun of 2007 by the state of Hawaii. I find the Obama campaign site version to be a lower quality version of the original, probably because someone decided to shrink the file size to optimize download size for the web. And I find the Opendna version to be a deliberately manipulated version of the original Kos image, because the Opendna version has no evidence of bleed through from the back side, no imprinted time stamp, no weak impression of the state seal and signature area.
Boy, what a big woof! AJ sounds just like Obama — a thousand words about one idea.
But, to whom is he speaking? Kindergarteners? “highest quality,” “lower quality.” What’s up with that?
I guess that ol’ AJ here doesn’t know that right-clicking on the image, and then on PROPERTIES reveals the dimensions in pixels of an image:
1. The Kos is 2427 x 2369
2. Fight the Smears is currently 585 x 575. It once was 1023 x 1000
3. OpenDNa’s images 800 x 781
Uh…Was this too advanced for you?
Then, AJ proudly crows, “This analysis took about 30-60 minutes, not days and days.”
Well, considering that right-clickon images takes LESS THAN 30 SECONDS, what the heck were you doing for the other 29 to 59 minutes? Reading the Cliff Notes for Web 101?
But, only a true savant like AJ would state that he’s providing an image link to the original image on the Kos website, when, in reality, he posts a link to my Photobucket account!
Actually, I owe you a “Thank you.” Your link to my account will help my standing on search engines.
More insightful analysis:
“There are three electronic images of birth certificates at the center of this silly controversy: (1) a BHO certificate Daily Kos posted initially [image loaded here], which Kos says he obtained electronically from the Obama campaign [image here], (2) the version of the certificate on the Obama website, and (3) a clearly mocked up “blank†form produced by a blogger who goes by the name Opendna (aka John Mckinnon”
Gee, what tipped you off about #3? “A clearly mocked up ‘blank’ form?” Does Hawaii send out genuine blank forms?
Man, you need to work on your redundancies, not to mention your short-term memories.
One of which is that you forgot to mention that OpenDNA has three COLB images, and not just one, on his account.
You also forgot to mention that the Kos image is what spawned all of the other images, including FactCheck’s progressive JPG.
More messed-up memories:
“On 6/20/08 the ‘expert’ Polarik claimed this certificate clearly produced a year ago was a forgery of an original from 1961, which Barack Obama claimed he had in one of his books from years ago.”
This ‘expert’ never said anything of the sort. I never said that any paper document, from any year, was forged, or altered in any way. not only that, the statement is ludicrous:
How can a “Certification of Live Birth,” a document introduced in 2001, be “an original from 1961,” when the COLB originated in 2001 as a replacement for actual birth certificate copies?
Aj rants onwards:
“I have no idea if he has the original, but no ‘expert’ would jump to the initial conclusion this was a forgery, unless they did not understand how government document versions are controlled. He even noted the evidence that clearly indicates this is a modern document in his post.”
What a yahoo you are, AJ. I worked for state and local health department for 15 years. I’ve scanned in more than 400,000 documents, and I know how they store records.
What you cannot seem to get through your thick skull is that I am talking ONLY about AN IMAGE being modifed, not a paper document, and unlike yourself, I know the difference between a real, certified paper “Certification” and an exact, true image reproduction of a real a real, certified paper “certification.”
Guess what? The KOS image is NOT an exact, true image reproduction of a real a real, certified paper “certification.” No way. No how.
Yet, you and others argue against this experimentally-determined result, which did take “days and days” using ill-conceived logic.
My central thesis is, and has always been, that the text on this JPG image of a COLB, differs from the text that existed on the scanned original that produced it.
So far, nobody has been able to prove that the original scanned COLB image was not altered. Yet, that is exactly what myself and TechDude concluded, but from different vantage points.
I’ve seen TechDude’s analysis, and it literally SHOUTS that many alterations were made to the COLB image.
AJStrata, what you fail to understand, time and time again, is exactly what I’ve said.
So, for your benefit, I’ll say it again.
Your hypothesis is that the so-called “Kos image” is a true and faithful copy of an original, PAPER DOCUMENT.
My hypothesis says, with 100$ certainty, that the Kos image is NOT a true copy of a laser-printed paper document.
In fact, the Kos image is a copy of a copy.
For starters, a direct copy would not have a black bar obscuring the Certificate Number. May I direct your attention to the caveat on the COLB:
ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE.
Yes, I know that this caveat pertains to alterations of the original, paper document, but since AJ here is claiming that the image is an exact reproduction of the paper document, and it is being presented as if it was a paper document, then obscuring the Certificate Number counts as an alteration. Even cropping the size of the original image could be considered an alteration.
The EXif information in the Kos image indicates that we are looking at a COPY of a scanned image that was altered by Photoshop — even if Photoshop acquired the image directly from the scanner.
The scanner software, or rather the TWAIN-compliant source layer it employs, transfers the scanned image data directly or indirectly via buffers, computer memory, or virtual memory. Photoshop makes a temporary working file from this data in its own, native format. Actually, everything you do in Photoshop is recorded. When the user wants to save the image in a common graphics file format like JPG, Photoshop will translate its native image data into JPG data, including information about the image file parameters.
We know that the Kos image was modified by Photoshop. Not a great discovery since we know that the black bar was added to obscure the certificate number, and “black bars” are not original features of the COLB. What we don’t know is the exact path taken by the original scanner data. We cannot say, for sure, what was done to it, besides adding the black bar, cropping the image, resizing the image, and saving it as the Kos JPG image.
The actual size of the Kos image is 2427 x 2369 pixels, and indicates that it was cropped from an image that was actuaqlly 2546 x 2388 pixels.
Since the Kos image is NOT the originally scanned image, we can truthfully say that we have NEVER seen the actual copy of his COLB.
If a person wanted to post the originally scanned image, except for the Certificate Number, it would have been child’s play to place a small piece of Painter’s tape over the number — just as Michele did on her COLB.
In this way, a true copy of the original paper document could have been made, but it wasn’t, and no amount of high-sounding logic, or the use of irrelevant tools, will make it one.
Gotcha! I could stop right here because you, AJ, have staked your reputation on the Kos image being a true scan of the original document, and I just knocked that curve ball right out of the park.
Since you, AJ, have not seen the original scanned image, you cannot know, with any degree of certainty, that ONLY the Cert. No. was blacked out.
PLUS, AJ, you cannot claim to know what was the SIZE of the original scanned image. It could have been larger than the size of the Kos image, and you would never know it.
Gotcha again, Strata!
You also claim the following:
“Inspection of the files shows consistent anti-aliasing across all letters and images (e.g., the state seal in the middle). Consistent anti-aliasing across the document tells me this was induced when the document was originally printed – not from later manipulation.
Polarik mistakes this anti-aliasing feature with forgery, which is completely ridiculous”
I know what anti-aliasing is, and your the one with the ridiculous statement. First of all, “anti-aliasing” text refers to subtracting the outside layer(s) of black pixels and replacing them with grey pixels so as to keep the size of letters consistent.
If the entire image had “Consistent anti-aliasing across the document,” then how exactly did the border lines escape it? I see a border that has green pixels right along side the clear black lines of tjhe border. If there are any anti-aliasing pixels around the inside border line or the outside border line, they sure as hell are not “consistent.”
Gotcha again!
Also, there are pixels along the curves of the letters, but they are in color and not shadeds of gray.
If the Kos image is so high in quality, then why are there no black pixels in the criss-cross lines of the border? Why does it look postively smeared by comparison? I can clearly see black, criss-cross lines in the other COLB borders (except for Smith’s which has matching dark green pixels) but, why are wev seeing like very other line?
what we fail to see is a single, black pixel present in the criss-cross lines on the Kos image. Oh, they are dark, but not jet black, like the text.
The text in the Kos image is black and clearly legible. The seal in the Kos image is black and clearly legible. The rectangle is black and clearly legible. The title and caveat text boxes are black and clearly legible.
Yet, the borders in the Kos image are blurry and contain nothing that a color wheel would call, black. There are only faint, dark shades of gray.
And, you’re trying to tell us that this is the “new” border used on COLBs?
After 320 atttempts to reproduce the pixel patterns found between the letters of the data fields, I learned that the patterns I found around and between specific groups of letters in the Kos image are NOT due to laser printing, NOT due to anti-aliasing fonts, NOT due to resizing JPGs, and NOT due to changing a JPGs compression factor.
In short, they are not the result of anything that you, AJ, said they were. And, if you think that you can reproduce the Kos image merely by changing it’s JPG compression and/or its size, then, by all means, go ahead and try.
You will not be able to do it, just li9ke you have not been able to “bust” my facts.
MORE MADNESS FROM THE TEXAS DARLIN BLOG
07.18 – TD – “Was B.Obama. born in the U.S.?”
07.18 – TD – “Was B.Obama. born in Canada.?”
07.18 – TD – “I have said BO’s COLB could be valid.
07.18 – TD – I am working with 2 experts who say it’s fake.
07.18 – TD – “it’s quite possible that BO was born outside US ”
07.18 – TD – BO refused to show hard copy of his [another LIE]
07.18 – TD- I believe that BO is concealing facts about his birth.
07.18 – “Sage” – Obama in conspiracy with McCain?
07.18 – “Patty” BO’s sister contradicting hospital names
07.18 – “ksdb” If no newspaper birth ad = born outside US.
07.18 – “Dean” Cannot understand media not following trolls 🙂
07.18 – “Mark” B Obama is a citizen of Kenya
07.18 – “Mark” B Obama is a Muslim.
07.18 – “no pasaran” Was BO born before Hawaii a state?
07.18 – “grayslady” Why has BO not appeared with his
— grandmother. Are they like Superman and Clark Kent?
07.19 – “M” Repubs won’t “out” BO until it’s too late for HRC.
— presumably meaning that will be no Dem leader to stand 🙂
07.19 – “PJ” B Obama possibly adopted by step father.
07.19 – “PJ” B Obama possibly Indonesian citizen
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The big question now is – Will Obama accede to Texasdarlin’s demands – and will she be advised to bring her lawyer a toothbrush to the police station for the meeting – and should she be given the right to remain silent or should she be actively encouraged to keep shooting her mouth off?
Polarik,
Why did you post the on such an old post? I did not humiliate you, you were able to do that yourself. Remember that seal you couldn’t find in your first post? Remember the claim you made that the BHO was in color to make it seem more credible?
Dude, your grasp of technology is stunningly poor – don’t get mad at me for noting it. You went out on a limb and made wild and silly accusations. You denigrated yourself.
You have been, and will be, the perfect example of how not to do analysis.
And I will post this whole thing later – on the front page of my blog for all to learn the lesson.
Enjoy your crow.
AJStrata
Polarik wrote:
“Yet, the borders in the Kos image are blurry and contain nothing that a color wheel would call, black. There are only faint, dark shades of gray.
And, you’re trying to tell us that this is the “new†border used on COLBs?”
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It certainly was a new border when Obama’s 2007 COLB was issued, and I have already dumped enough clues on the various blogs to indicate precisely how that border got the way it did, but you are still scratching around like an old chook trying to figure it out.
Ray
Polarik wrote:
“The “Seals and signature block†on the Smears and OpenDNA images CANNOT BE SEEN, even under image enhancement, [….]
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I just loaded the Smear’s image (585 x 575 pixels) into Photoshop and set my stopwatch. It took 22 seconds to locate the seal and signature block. Obviously it is coarser than the KOS image because of the coarser resolution.
Ray
[Correction]:
I just noticed on the racist blog that the proprietor was getting her knickers in a knot about my earlier comment – which is re-printed below. It had an error in it. It should have read “bring her lawyer AND a toothbrush” — not “bring her lawyer a toothbrush”.
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“The big question now is – Will Obama accede to Texasdarlin’s demands – and will she be advised to bring her lawyer a toothbrush to the police station for the meeting – and should she be given the right to remain silent or should she be actively encouraged to keep shooting her mouth off?”
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Ray
Polarik wrote [to AJ]
“From your first “Myth busted†skreed you claimed:
“First I noted the certificate was a recent production that is made by a laser printer and is on a form put in place in 2001 (look at the lower right hand corner of any version of the certificate for this information). â€
Wow! what a discovery, Einstein. A two-year old could see that.”
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The average reader would have appreciated the clarity which AJ provided. You should have tried to do something similar yourself when you started digging the hole you’re in now.
If you had attempted to do that — point out WHERE the imagined copy/paste occurred in the original document we might think that you had a point, but still haven’t pointed to a thing that indicates an original document was doctored to pave the way for a forgery. Without that you have nothing but a lot of word-smithing which virtually no one on the planet believes.
As if that wasn’t bad enough – you haven’t even tried to SHOW anyone how the phantom forger did it. I challenged you to attempt it – knowing that it cannot be done without detection.
If it’s all too hard – why not at least try typing the text and see what happens when you try and get it to line up?
Ray
Well, I just lost my original response to yours, and I’m not going to rewrite it.
Basically, you denied humiliating me, then proceeded to humiliate me in your response above.
I responded to your first post because you began taking cheap shots at me at every turn, and continue to do so.
Plus, I thought that you’d be more likely to read it here.
Let me ask you,
Which part of “Calling my work, ‘Poor,’ is not demeaning?
Which part of using quotes around ‘expert’ when referring to me is not demeaning and insulting?
In fact, what have you said about me that was not denigrating?
Your, “Who me?” response doesn’t fly.
There are a very large contingent of people who agree with me, so I have no doubts about my credibility, no matter how eager you are to trash it.
Correct me if I’m wrong:
YOU claim that the Kos image is a true, faithful, genuine, accurate, and direct reproduction of Barack Obama’s original, duly certified paper document known as the COLB.
Is that correct?
I claim that the answer is (E) NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Simple disagreement, right?
Well, I’m willing to put wager on my claim being right?
Are you willing to do likewise? Will you wager that your claim is 100% right?
Are ya feelin’ lucky? Well, are ya?
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BTW, on a different note, here’s a post that might interest you:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/another-obamanut-threatens-me
Here’s a new (good) blog that started yesterday:
http://koyaan.wordpress.com/