Jan 15 2008
Scotland Yard Agrees: Looks Like al-Qaeda Killed Bhutto
I have not been watching the news much the last few days but I did see that Scotland Yard investigators, who went to Pakistan to give an independent assessment of who killed Bhutto, have concluded the evidence does point to al-Qaeda:
BRITISH officials have revealed that evidence amassed by Scotland Yard detectives points towards Al-Qaeda militants being responsible for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
This turn of events is very important to where Pakistan may be heading. It is clear al-Qaeda and the Taliban are retreating to the tribal areas of Pakistan after their defeats in Iraq. But what is not clear is whether they are making the same mistakes in Pakistan as they did in Iraq with their addiction to brutality and fascist control of the locals. The idea of whether an awakening could work in Pakistan as it did in Iraq (so far) is discussed by the Christian Science Monitor – a reasonable review of the concept for those interested.
Clashes continue to erupt with some interesting angles. For one there are still Uzbeks in Pakistan, meaning their is a foreign presence which points to al-Qaeda. And there are local leaders still trying to rid the region of these foreign insurgents:
Two Uzbek militants were killed and one was captured during clashes between rival groups in the volatile South Waziristan Agency on Sunday, officials and residents said.
Also on Sunday, anti-Uzbek militant commander Maulvi Nazir survived a roadside bomb attack.
The clash took place in the Shakai valley when six Uzbek militants came across supporters of Malik Khanan, a close associate of Maulvi Nazir.
Officials said the Malik’s men exchanged fire with the Uzbeks and killed two of them and captured one in wounded condition. The other three foreign militants managed to escape.
Malik Khanan is the head of a peace committee in Shakai and a staunch opponent of Uzbek militants in the troubled region. He is spearheading the armed campaign against foreigners in the valley. Last week, Uzbek fighters allegedly had attacked his office.
I know there are doubters, but this is exactly how it all began in Iraq. It is not so much the resistance to al-Qaeda that fuels this, it is al-Qaeda’s fascist efforts to destroy all resistance as brutally as possible. And if it becomes well known that Bhutto was actually killed by these foreigners in their country, then I think you could see a shift in public opinion that could be as subtle initially as the Awakening was in Iraq.
Anyway, the reporting points to something happening. Here is more on raising a force to take on the Uzbek militants in Waziristan. Here’s a snippet on arrests being made in South Waziristan as a precursor to stop suicide bombings.
Probably one of the more interesting pieces is in the NY Times, where the ISI is now admitting (or claiming) publicly that is has ‘lost control’ of the militant forces in the restive tribal areas:
Pakistan’s premier military intelligence agency has lost control of some of the networks of Pakistani militants it has nurtured since the 1980s, and is now suffering the violent blowback of that policy, two former senior intelligence officials and other officials close to the agency say.
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The growing strength of the militants, many of whom now express support for Al Qaeda’s global jihad, presents a grave threat to Pakistan’s security, as well as NATO efforts to push back the Taliban in Afghanistan. American officials have begun to weigh more robust covert operations to go after Al Qaeda in the lawless border areas because they are so concerned that the Pakistani government is unable to do so.
The unusual disclosures regarding Pakistan’s leading military intelligence agency — Inter-Services Intelligence, or the ISI — emerged in interviews last month with former senior Pakistani intelligence officials. The disclosures confirm some of the worst fears, and suspicions, of American and Western military officials and diplomats.
The interviews, a rare glimpse inside a notoriously secretive and opaque agency, offered a string of other troubling insights likely to refocus attention on the ISI’s role as Pakistan moves toward elections on Feb. 18 and a battle for control of the government looms:
I think Pakistan was hoping to save its tribes from being in the forefront of the War On Terror. However, as we pushed al-Qaeda out of Iraq al-Qaeda fled back to Pakistan and caused the upheaval. Whatever the reasons, the restive tribal areas are now the latest front of the war on terror. And despite liberal hand wringing, our track record shows we can expect success here as well.
“…It is clear al-Qaeda and the Taliban are retreating to the tribal areas of Pakistan after their defeats in Iraq…”
this is the one of the most factually untrue things ever typed up on the extremist far right blogosphere. al queda in mesopotomia is not the al queda who is in pakistan. the taliban as far as i know was never in iraq.
your lack of understanding of the issue is colossal. perhaps you should be commenting on something you are qualified to comment on.
Al Qaeda in Iraq.. is Al Qaeda.
And yes, the orders were sent for fighters to leave Iraq and go to Pakistan.
That you are totally ignorant of the situation but yet think you can lecture people who are informed is poor reflection of you.
i’m sorry but this has me infuriated…
the al queda and taliban responsible for todays turmoil in pakistan is the same al queda and taliban from afghanistan that we let go so we could pursue a neo-con wet dream in iraq. there was no al queda in iraq until we got there and gave them an opening. now the members of al queda in mesopotamia have disolved back into their sunni tribes because we are paying them to do so.
and yet people like you go on pontificating as if you have all the answers when your answers have been completely wrong from the moment your boy decided to give up in afghanistan.
had dubya and dick had listened to the left and continued pursuing al queda and the taliban until they were finished instead of going nation building we may have finished the job and we might not have turmoil in pakistan and maybe we wouldn’t have borrowed two trillion dollars for iraq and we might not have lost 4000 troops and maybe we wouldn’t now be looking at sending thousands of troops back to afghanistan to finish what we didn’t finish five f’ing years ago. but those who suggested logical things were traitors. folks like you knew everything. only this mornings post shows you know nothing.
norm it’s obvious you’re more concerned about attacking conservatives than you are with America attacking its enemies.
Maybe you directed your hate toward the enemy it would be more productive.
So how do you connect al Queda in Iraq, to al Queda in Pakistan, to Hamas in Palestine, to Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon? Are they different people…….of course. So how do you bind different people into one…….through the same ideology. What is the ideology……kill anybody who stands in the way of the caliphate.
Good grief, Norm. How blockheaded can one be, no disrespect inteneded. An enemy is an enemy is an enemy is an enemy. They all want to chop your head off. What’s not to understand about that? Kathie is correct. It’s the ideology that dictates the evil upon the civilized world… a craving for control and power.
Like dealing with an addiction, one must STOP the behavior that is destructive FIRST, then “talk” it out. “Talking” NEVER EVER has stopped an addiction. As Scott Peck said, the only way to stop playing the “game” is to STOP. So we are in the midst of stopping the destruction for which the terrorists are ACCOUNTABLE for their actions.
But hey, if you are working for the global socialists, keep it up. Your hair is on fire and we can all see it. 🙂
kathie…you are correct. there is a common ideology, and we need to wipe out that ideology. but that is completely seperate from the outlandish claim made in the original post.
vince…conservatives would never have borrowed two trillion dollars to go nation building. i don’t know what you call those in the white house and those who follow them in lock-step, but they are not conservatives. also…hate is non-productive. i do have utter contempt for incompetency…which in this case has only led to the waste of blood and treasure. and i also have utter contempt for those who are too arrogant to listen to others, even when repeatedly proven wrong.
“and i also have utter contempt for those who are too arrogant to listen to others, even when repeatedly proven wrong. ”
Wow Norm, that level of self hatred must be really difficult to live with. No wonder you’re so angry,
Norm,
What rock did you slither out from? Where in the hell do you get the nerve to come on AJ’s site and personally attack him? AJ was one of the very first in the blogs to note Anbar was turning around. And it has. Your liberal democratic talking points score no points here. It is liberals like you that very few take seriously in fighting the WOT. I bet you thought ole Billy Clinton was doing a bang up job on taking on Al Qaeda, eh?
AJ, throw this fool out. If it was my house I would and I would smack him for good measure while doing it.
We didn’t borrow 2 trillion dollars to go nation building, we borrowed it to protect this country from another safe place for radicals to boogie to that had bad weapons. Saddam had already proven himself by supporting Arafat (sp). This is a nation of people who don’t just destroy and leave especially when we have the finances to rebuild and bring hope to a region that desperately needs a moderating voice. A country with water, oil, educated people, agriculture, and a country that we had in part protected for years.
We needed to make a statement to those who flew the plans into our buildings that we will bring it to you so don’t ever try it again. I think we made that statement loud and clear by evidence that they have not tried it again, yet. We said we will not take you to court if you blow us up we will deliver in kind.
I don’t know if what we are doing is conservative or not by your thinking, but it is sure a lot different then what we did in the former Yugoslavia, I still can’t figure why we bombed them. How has our bombing made the world better? The Middle East needs a shake up and we are helping them along. That is a good thing, even if it’s uncomfortable for a few.
Sometimes money has to be spent for a better future, if we allow our economy to work we will pay for it in due time. We always have.
So how do you connect al Queda in Iraq, to al Queda in Pakistan, to Hamas in Palestine, to Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon? Are they different people…….of course. So how do you bind different people into one…….through the same ideology. What is the ideology……kill anybody who stands in the way of the caliphate.
Left by kathie on January 15th, 2008
Well, Al Qaeda and HAMAS are direct offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is a hydra organization devoted to the reestablishment of the Islamic Caliphate.
Hezbellah is the Shiite proxy group Iran’s eschatological jihad war against Israel… the same eschatological jihad that the Muslim Brotherhood .
In the end, that’s what every Islamic terrorist group is working towards.
What makes you think they have nothing in common?
Kathie: I read your question too fast and sorta skimmed over your last sentence.. I thought you were asking me those questions.
You know what I find most detestable about creeps like you?
There’s plenty of blame to go around… one could go back to Clinton doing nothing for 8 years… one could go to Bush I for letting Saddam keep control… one could go to Reagan for surrendering in Lebanon
or Carter with Iran… or LBJ with RFK Jr .. or FDR prostrating himself to the Saudis.
It was not very apparent the stage of history that we were entering into, and so the Govt as a whole, for decades, did not realize an Islamic Revival was underway and with Islamic Revival comes Jihad.
And little creeps like you , who know NOTHING, continue to engage in a very narrow and self-serving blame politics.
Like you REALLLY SINCERELY CARE about 2T in debt (taking your amount for sake of argument)… If you really do care about 2T debt (money we’re spending for our protection), then where is your protest about the 50 TRILLION DEBT in Social Security and Medicare?
Do you honestly expect any of us to believe that the Democrats would have spent LESS in the past 7 years ?
Sure the GOP under the poor leadership of W spent like drunks, but that’s nothing compared to what the Dems are eager to do.
I assume you’re against the nationalization of health care.. we certainly can’t afford to create any more entitlement programs. Look at Europe.. every nation is about to go bust because they can’t meet thier welfare requirements..
Oh that’s right being a braindead Leftist means not actually worrying about the consequence f anything you advovate.. which is why you want our brave troops to humiliate themselves and leave the middle east in shame and on fire.
Screw you.. you know nothing about the responsiblity that comes with having so much wealth and power that our nation has. That you want to bring an eternal shame by percepating a blood bath in the arab world SOLEY BECAUSE YOU HATE BUSH , You hate Christians, and you hate a strong, free America.
vince…
“…we needed to make a statement to those who flew the planes into our buildings that we will bring it to you so don’t ever try it again…” nice conflation of 9.11 and iraq. of course iraq had nothing to do with 9.11. maybe if we had finished the job in afghanistan that would have made a statement. what kind of statement does sending thousands of troops back in there now make?
the stage of history we were entering was very apparent to anyone paying attention. there was a hart rudman report from february 2001 that was totally ignored. there are rooms of information and warnings in washington dc. all ignored. i didn’t blame anyone…i merely pointed out that we have been wasting our time nation building in that very struggle. and that had the right been more interested in acting as a country instead of as a political party we may have made more progress by now. for instance you point to anbar…well the solution in anbar was posed long ago by many…not just those on the left. but the administration called it a non-starter. now, after it happened largly on it’s own they praise the tactic and want to take credit. and if i call them on that then i hate bush. right. sorry…thats your irrational response to criticism. if you, and your president, were better prepared to listen to it we would be better off. try it.
as a fiscal conservative i do care about the ss and medicare debt. why doesn’t bush stop borrowing from those programs? he talks a big game. but his actions speak louder than his words. do i think the dems would have spent less in the last 7 years? impossible to say, i can only hazard a guess based upon the previous 8 years.
as for consequences of what i advocate…what exactly have i advocated? actually finishing the job of destroying al queda and not wasting blood and treasure. i can only gather from your comments that this is of no worry to you.
Norm:
You may get away with lying about the President or other people.. but you’re not going to get away with it from me.
Thanks for proving what a fraud you are by inventing things that I’ve said.
So you know what you can do with your attitude?
Vince, I think Norm sounds more like Ron Paul.
This is my fav L Ron video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4QbJ3phEYs
norm:
You should call MI5 and tell them it’s absurd that Al Qaeda UK has anything to do with Al Qaeda Pakistan. Tell them Bush shouldh ave fought harder in Afghanistan… nothing to worry about.. as long we keep assigning blame for the past, then the present doesnt matter.
Al Qaeda Comes to Britain
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/01/al-qaeda-comes-to-britain.html
LONDON (Reuters) – Britain’s intelligence services are investigating an Islamist Web site that says it is establishing a branch of al Qaeda in Britain, BBC television reported on Tuesday.
According to the report, security experts fear a posting on the site, http://www.alekhlaas.net, declaring “the creation of the al Qaeda organization in Britain” may be genuine.
Good for Mitt!
Norm, the idea that al-Qaeda only exists in one country and that there is some sort of imaginary law that say the US can only fight them in one country is one of the greatest lies of all time. If Bush had committed 150,000+ troops to a landlocked country to chase al-Qaeda around a mountainscape people like you would be saying how stupid that is because al-Qaeda can just slip away to other countries where they have a presence. You are either an extremely dishonest person or just brainwashed.