Jul 03 2007

“Enforce The Immigration Laws” Was A Lie

Published by at 11:55 am under All General Discussions,Illegal Immigration

How do we know all those cries to just “enforce the laws” was a lie? Well, if current laws could do the job why are the amnesty hypochondriacs now saying they need new legislation?

“The defeat of the Senate bill is not an excuse for Congress to do nothing when we have within reach a broad consensus on the need to address employer verification, interior enforcement and border security … we should instead renew our commitment to getting something done immediately.”

Homeland Security Committee ranking member Pete King (R-N.Y.), a cosponsor of border security legislation that will be introduced later this month, said through a spokesman that the Senate bill has “reinvigorated the border-security debate.”

“Until we’re able — the government’s able — to demonstrate to the American people that we can in fact secure the borders and enforce the laws, the American people aren’t willing to take those next steps in this process,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said.

It would also expedite the removal of individuals in the country illegally

Oh, yeah – because they need to fix the laws so they can deport all the illegal aliens here now! You know, people do not take kindly at be lied to. False advertising is not going to gain credibility. Why can’t we just enforce the laws all of a sudden? Apparently because now the hypochondriacs say current laws won’t do the job. Don’t expect straight or honest answers out of these people. They are out to purify the country (and their party).

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35 Responses to ““Enforce The Immigration Laws” Was A Lie”

  1. Terrye says:

    Did it work? We shall see.

    I wonder if it has dawned on these morons that it would be the end of the party if they actually carried out any of these homicidal fantasies?

    But there are lots of fantasies out there, like Mark Steyn repeating some nonsense about the Senate bill calling for the deportation of legal immigrants.

    Really, these folks have just started running their mouths and all sorts of stupid stuff is coming out.

  2. tomfromPV says:

    The Senate bill is dead and gone. The House Republicans will sponsor a new bill dealing with enforcement. I trust it will include serious penalties for employers who “wink and nod” when hiring obvious illegals. If we can keep illegals from working, even under the table, they will soon return from where they came.

    Now, before I’m summarily banned, please note that the above is aimed at ALL illegals, not Hispanics. Its not the fault of the US that other nations cannot support their own. The US welcomes more immigrants than any other nation on the planet — we have nothing to be sorry about.

    BTW, most people were opposed to the Senate Bill because it was worse than the current situation. If something better is proposed, it will get supported. If more crappy legislation comes along, it will be dumped too.

  3. Aitch748 says:

    Let’s see if FIVE close-bold tags does the trick:

    Anyway, I’ve also seen the “mine the border” idea, not in any pundit’s article or official commentary, but in blog comments, and in RightNation.us threads. It’s this kind of talk that has started to turn me off RightNation in general and any immigration threads there in particular. But I guess this kind of talk is par for the course if a person actually believes that we are actually being invaded by Mexico.

  4. crosspatch says:

    “Crosspatch – I have read the land mines idea (and also heard it from my very own uncle)”

    Do you have a link to it? I want to avoid people saying they have “heard about” or seen things yet at the same time I would like to document people who actually HAVE said things like that.

    I can find some things like that but they are old, like a year and a half old:


    But that is pretty much the only instance of that I could find using google. Considering our stance on the use of landmines and the trouble it has taken so far in Afghanistan to demine the place, I would never expect our govt to ever do such a thing,

  5. stevevvs says:

    I’d like to take this opportunity to address a few things.
    It seems many are saying those opposed to the C.I.R. Bill have no answers, and do not acknowledge the current system is broken. It is said all they have to say is enforce the existing laws. While they do say enforce the existing laws to the greatest extent possible, they also say the system is broken, and they offer their own ways to fix it. Let me give a few examples:
    2002 Invasion by Michelle Malkin:
    Chapter 7 House of Horrors: The INS Mess
    Chapter 9 Fatal Errors: The Technology Boondoggle
    Chapter 10 It aint over till the Alien Wins
    Conclusion: What must America do? Several Examples given: Guard the Front Door, Scrap Visa Free Travel, Beef Up SeaPorts and Airports, Stop the Revolving Door: End Catch and Release, Know Where to Hold Them: Military Bases, End Deportation Delays: Abolish the EOIR and BIA, Lock The Back Door: Stop Illegal Immigration, Slow Down on Asylum, Pull up the Welcome Mat, Clean House at INS, Protect our Birthright.

    2003 Mexifornia by Victor Davis Hanson:
    Chapter 4 The Old Simplicity That Worked
    Chapter 5 The New Gods that Failed
    Chapter 6 A Remedy in Popular Culture?
    Epilogue: Forks in the Road, several examples.

    2005 Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save a Nation by Daniel Sheehy
    Chapters by Glenn Spencer, Terry Anderson, Roy Beck, Barbara Coe, Joe Guzzardi, Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilcrest. Several examples of the problems, and solutions to fix them.

    2006 State of Emergency by Pat Buchanan
    Chapter 1 How Civilizations Parish
    Chapter 2 The Invasion
    Chapter 4 The Face of America 2050
    Chapter 6 Roots of Paralysis
    Chapter 9 What is a Nation?
    Chapter 12 A Nation of Immigrants?
    Chapter 13 Last Chance: Have we the Will To Act?, What is to be Done?, A Time Out on All Immigration, No Amnesty, The Border Fence, Anchor Babies, Ending Dual Citizenship, Remove the Magnets, Remigration.

    2006 In Mortal Danger: The Battle For America’s Border and Security by Tom Tancredo
    Part II: Our Broken Immigration System
    Chapter 8 Our Porous Borders
    Chapter 9 The Myths of Immigration
    Chapter 10 System Breakdown
    Chapter 11 Politics of Immigration
    Chapter 12 Breach in Security
    Chapter 13 Mexico’s Lawless Border
    Chapter 14 The Economics of Mass Migration
    Chapter 15 The Treat of our Health System by Illegal Immigration
    Chapter 16 Environmental Impact from Illegal Immigration
    Part III: What Needs To Be Done
    Chapter 17 Steps to Reform
    Chapter 18 Preserving Our National Existence
    Conclusion: Your Assignment.

    2006 Whatever It Takes: Illegal Immigration, Border Security, and the War on Terror by J.D. Hayworth
    Chapter 1 Overrun
    Chapter 2 Crime and Illegal Immigration
    Chapter 3 Assimilation: Out of Many?
    Chapter 4 Language, P.C,and Illegal Immigration: Dispatches From The Front Lines
    Chapter 5 Mexico: Friend or Foe?
    Chapter 6 Is America Complicit in Illegal Immigration?
    Chapter 7 The Left and the Right are wrong
    Chapter 8 Is Illegal Immigration the Answer to Social Security?
    Chapter 9 Guest Worker= Amnesty=Surrender
    Chapter 10 Is Opposing Illegal Immigration a Political Loser for Republicans?
    Chapter 11 What to do About Illegal Immigration: Border Enforcement: Troops on the Border,Interior Enforcement: The Key To Success, Get the SSA and the IRS off the Sidelines and into the game, On Crime the Solution is Clear, Catch and Deport, Anchors Away [babies], English: The Language of Success, Deny In State Tuition to Illegals, What to do About Workers, What to do About Mexico, What Can You Do?

    And in the Months ahead there are going to be members of the House and Senate who will introduce solutions to fix the areas that are broken.

    My wish today was not to call anyone names or berate those with different views. It was just to point out that many have aknowledged the system is broken, and yes, they have offered solutions to fixing them. But to acquire that knowledge and information you would have had to have read books, or their op ed pieces that they have written over the years. Short of doing those things, I can see where you would think many of those you are critical of have not offered any solutions of their own. But if you go to the library, or purchase any of the above I listed, you too, will see it is not empty rhetoric.

    Folks, this is such a great day in our Nations History. I hope you ALL get out and enjoy it if the weather is good where you are. This, in all likely hood, will be my final Immigration post at the Strata Sphere. I know most here are in total disagreement with my positions, and that’s fine. It is my final post because I have decided not to continue trying here. Your all fine people, we just disagree on this issue. So, I’ll post from time to time on some of the things we do agree on. The War, Global Warming, Fitz, etc. But this issue at this blog has become to polarizing.

  6. momdear1 says:

    If anything, killing this monstrosity of a bill has restored my faith in the Republican Party. This was Kennedy and Bush’s bill, not the Republican Party’s. The fact that Rep. Senators killed it is a sign that just maybe, the Republicans won’t be taking their base voters for granted in the next election. When the choice is the lesser of two evils, the desire to sit it out is strong. Why bother if it ain’t going to change anything.

    The problem with the now dead immigration bill was that it was designed to force the American public to swallow a ton of manure to get a few sugar pills. The fact that the American public turned out to be smarter than their self ordained masters thought is what defeated this boondoggle which rewarded illegals for breaking the law while putting the onus of paying for their, and their extended families’, welfare and upkeep into perpetuity, onto American taxpayers. The fact that a Harvard Professor’s conclusions, after serious investigation, indicate that laizzie faire open borders immigration leads to disintegration of communities and isolation of individuals, both immigrant and local citizens, should be a wake up call to all who supported this “let’s run the country to benefit Mexico and the third world” ill conceived bill. The idea that Americans are rich and can, and will, take care of everyone else’s problems has just been proven a falacy.

    There should be no problem getting legislation to solve whatever problems we have now in enforcing our border security. A simple bill to address each individual problem, which the American public could understand, should not be impossible to get passed. If Congress did not have to load every piece of legislation with pork and goodies for each and every organization with a lobbyist, our courts would not be clogged with unnescessary litigation, everyone would know what the law is and if they are breaking it, and a lot of lawyers would be looking for work in another fields. Maybe if the lawyers had to work for a living and compete with the illegals to earn their bread, the whole country would insist on simple and clear legislation to benefit our country, and not some third world stink hole. Compromise, “fair and balanced,”giving something to everybody, both sides have equal standing, and such ideas do not work when one side already has the advantage because it has failed to obey laws already on the books.

    While I am at it. Have you noticed how those “intelligent” unfortunates we brought here from third world stink holes and educated at taxpayer expense, have rewarded us by biting the hands that fed them? How about those “Doctors” in England trying to blow the county up? How about the Muslin Doctor in Michigan who let a man die in the emergency room because he was Jewish? How about immigrant Muslim cab drivers who pick and choose passengers based on Shria law? How about the scientists we trained at our universities and nuclear labs who went home to build bombs to blow us up? How about the Chinamen we educated and hired on at our top secret labs who sold us out to their Motherland? How about all those Wahabbi Imans we let Saudi Arabia send here to man their 3000 Mosques who now spend their time indocturnating and educating our college students in the evils of our country and the glories of Jihad? Why are publicly supported colleges allowed to run Islamic Studies Depts when Christian Studies is considered unconstitutional? Our colleges have sold their souls for the Wahabbi dollar, and the rest of the country is not far behind.

    The Dems have proven themselves to be anti American. They don’t even believe in doing what is necessary to protect the public from known Jihadists. A few more votes which will show the public that the Republicans are a viable alternative will bring shell shocked voters back to the polls.

  7. crosspatch says:

    “If anything, killing this monstrosity of a bill has restored my faith in the Republican Party. ”

    I don’t doubt that. And it looks like a very tiny minority of people in this country agree with you. I would say that a much larger number of people think killing this bill has probably killed the Republican Party.

    And you know what? There really isn’t anything wrong with a bill that also had the support of Democratic Senators such as Kennedy in addition to the support of Republican Senators. Do you think just because Kennedy likes something that it is your duty to oppose it simply for that reason? That assures that nothing will ever get done. We need a bi-partisan solution and that means having key Democrats on board. This was a bi-partisan solution and possibly the last chance the Republicans will ever get to having one.

    From now on we are probably going to see any legislation being Democrat party legislation and not enough Republican votes to stop it. Unless the Republicans turn themselves around and decide to give and take, they are going to be kicked to the curb. Watch and see.

  8. momdear1 says:

    I cannot for the life of me see where giving amnesty to between 12 and 20 million foreigners who have broken our laws and overloaded our system can be considered a solution to the problem. All of you keep saying that a small minority of Americans opposed this bill. I am not a crackpot right wing nut. I am one of the work horses of the Republican party. I have manned the telephones, stuffed the envelopes, catered the parties , entertained visiting dignitaries, written the letters, and worked my behind off and for what. A bunch of wimps who think more of appeasing foreigners who have invaded our country, get out into the streets by the thousands demanding that we give them more, and threaten to “shut the country down.” Sorry, but I do not feel sorry for them. As long as we take in those who are fed up and have lost all hope with their own system, they will have no incentive to make it better there. And I have news for all of you. I am not alone. Everyone I know is mad as hell about this situation and want something done. We don’t believe it was unavoidable that the country has been overrun with them. We dont’ like paying the extra local taxes for schools and special services for them and their children and we don’t like them getting free health care when we have to pay thru the nose or be hounded by bill collectors for the rest of our lives.

    I have a hard time voting when there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties. Sorry. It’s going to take a few more
    “show me” votes by again. Why bother when what I want doesn’t matter to either party. Just look at how Lindsay Graham has betrayed the people of SC. He is a perfect example of why a lot of us won’t bother to vote. We have a choice. A Gay Democrat masquerading as a Rep. or a died in the wool yellow dog Democrat.

  9. wiley says:

    On this particualr thread you/we are in minority, but overall we certainly have the prevailing opinion on immigration, as poll after poll indisputably has shown.

    The vast majority of taxpayer voters want the flow of illegal immigrants to stop. Passing the Senate debacle would have exacerbated the illegal problem. Dealing with those illegals already here is important but secondary to getting the ongoing illegal onrush under control. Plus, the Senate bill had feckless measures to properly account for illegals here. The defeat of this bill was a major victory for Amercian democracy, and good for the repub party. It is an issue the repub presidential contender can use as a positive discriminator.

  10. crosspatch says:

    Nobody is talking about giving anyone “amnesty”. Amnesty is forgiveness, simply giving them permanent resident status like Reagan did. Nothing proposed in the latest bill gave anyone amnesty. They would be required to pay a FINE (like when you break the law) and pay back taxes for a CHANCE at POSSIBLY getting permanent residency IF they keep their nose clean AND stay employed.

    That isn’t amnesty.

  11. crosspatch says:

    Here is the way it would work as I understand it:

    1. If you have been here for some period of time, you could apply for a work permit if you pass a basic background check to make sure you haven’t been involved in criminal activity or in a terrorist database. This would be good for some period of time and then expire. You would have to either go home or get ONE extension of the visa. At the end of that extension period you WOULD have to go home.

    2. If you have been here for some period of time AND haven’t been in jail AND are employed, you can pay a fine and pay back taxes and be granted residency. During a TEN YEAR probationary period you must not commit a crime and must remain employed, then after that probationary period you can then APPLY for citizenship.

    That is not “amnesty”. Amnesty would simply grant residency status with no fine, no probation period and no requirements just as we did in the 1980’s.

  12. sbd says:

    Our Republican Senators and Congressmen are not to blame for the backlash, if there even is one. They just did what their constituents wanted them to do. Any blame should be directed right where it belongs, with the “so called” leader of the Republican Party, President Bush. In case you might not be aware, the border fence that was approved by Congress barely got started when President Bush and Homeland Security converted it into a “virtual fence”. That is not what Congress approved and not what the people wanted.

    Also, have any of you actually paused for a moment to determine why those Republican lawmakers are against amnesty? Why have all of you jumped to the worst conclusion regarding Amnesty?

    There are certain elements in this country that are here for reasons other than wanting to have jobs and support their families. A good example is the ms-13 gang members. How do you propose we get them out of here?? Are we supposed to give Amnesty to everyone, except those with a certain tattoo that we claim represents ms-13? Will not ACLU start screaming discrimination??

    Then there are those who are here that have been made to believe in a ficticious land called Aztlan. They claim that the Western United States used to be their land, Aztec land, Aztlan. They believe they have a right to take it back by any and all means possible. Aztlan never existed, nor were the Aztecs anywhere close to the Western United States. They were from the Mexico City area of Mexico.

    Yet, all over the country, Universities are being used to spread a lie and cause an insurrection. San Diego State University, like other Universities, now has the Department of Chicana y Chicano Studies. There website is http://aztlan.sdsu.edu. MEChA is the student organization supporting the Chicana and Chicano Studies Department.

    El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán

    In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

    We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent
    Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner “gabacho” who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.
    For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.

    1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence.

    2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and its personnel to meet the needs of our community.

    3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child.

    4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán.

    5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people’s combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

    6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

    What makes you think that the illegals want to become Citizens of a Country they are working hard to over throw in the first place??


  13. crosspatch says:

    Check this out. Immigration rules are so tough at this point to hire foreign workers that Microsoft is going to be forced to build more facilities in Canada. So that represents thousands of people who won’t be coming to the US, going to movies, buying cars, visiting the local supermarket and other local businesses. Our laws can’t stop them from hiring foreigners, they simply need to move across the line from Seattle to Vancouver to do it. Canada’s rules for bringing foreigners in are a lot easier. Look for more companies to follow suit. It will be an economic boon for Canada and our loss.

    These are smart people with advanced degrees.

  14. sbd says:

    That is the biggest piece of BS I have ever heard, even coming from Microsoft. It isn’t about getting talent, it is once again cheap labor. They expect us to believe that the top software company in the world can not find employees in the US when everyone in the industry would jump head over heals to get hired by Microsoft.

    CIO Insight

    “There’s no shortage of American workers for these jobs,” Matloff says. “I don’t like being lied to and the tech industry is lying to us. They simply want access to cheap labor.”

    Matloff and other opponents support a proposal submitted by Sens. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) and Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) that would overhaul the visa program to give priority to American workers.

    The H-1B swindle
    A new study shows that companies hire foreign workers for cheap labor, not skill

    Miano’s report shows that wages paid to H-1B workers in computer programming occupations had a mean salary of $52,312, while the OES mean was $67,700; a difference of $15,388. The report also lists the OES median salary as $65,003, or $12,691 higher than the H-1B median.

    When you look at computer job titles by state, California has one of the biggest differentials between OES salaries and H-1B salaries. The average salary for a programmer in California is $73,960, according to the OES. The average salary paid to an H-1B visa worker for the same job is $53,387; a difference of $20,573.

    Here are some other interesting national wage comparisons: The mean salary of an H-1B computer scientist is $78,169, versus $90,146 according to the OES. For an H-1B network analyst, the mean salary is $55,358, versus the OES mean salary of $64,799. And for the title “system administrator,” there was a $17,478 difference in salary between the H-1B mean and the OES mean.

    Maybe if Microsoft hired Americans to program their software, they might have actually produced a new operating system that actually was a benefit to the consumer instead of a window dressing.