Jun 28 2007
Guess We Need To Dump Some More Hypochondriacs!
I was in meetings all day, but I suspected the vote would not make it based on some early morning indications. I will be looking at the votes but it would seem more far left and far right folks moved to leave us in the same mess we have had for 20+ years. Well, there is only one answer: get rid of the fringes left and right.
The motto for 2008 should be “Stay Out Of The Fringes!”. For me that means I would rather see Webb (D) stay on for a while longer – at least until we can get this immigrartion issue fixed. And of course I will support Warner (R) if he runs in 2008. But if Warner retires all bets are off. The Dems probably will not run a liberal in VA so it will be up to the Republican options to see which way I would vote. But if we ended up with a Mark Warner type vs. an Allen/Sessions type VA would probably be all Democrat at the top of the ticket in 2008. I don’t have time for an analysis of where it makes sense to trim the fringes, but I am sure there are plenty of opportunities out there.
Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every victim of a crime by a repeat offender illegal alien for doing so much to allow these animals to stay in our country. The DO NOTHING NOW! crowd one this round. But each round takes a toll on them and they loose more credibility and support. It is just a matter of time before enough get tossed out before we can try again. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a Clinton or Levin or any liberal in office. But the Dems are willing to let moderates into their caucuses more than the frantic right.
Besides, the far right has run its course. They have nothing to offer new and if we need to protect the gains we made we can do that when needed. Yes, we may lose some ground, but that was happening anyway. You need to align with folks who will give you some part of your goals. With the GOP caving on stem cells and other matters their utility is about used up. They are victims of their own success. We have 90% of the stuff proposed by the Contract with America and Bush’s pledges – so take the progress and find opportunities for more. The one open issue is Iraq.
But if Bush’s Surge has done what is needed to stabilize the situation, then that too can be a success fairly immune to Congressional meddling by 2009. That I will watch. If Iraq does stabilize then al bets are off. Might be time to give the Dems another shot. Who knows. But anything is better than NOTHING NOW! – the new and everlasting GOP mantra. This was interesting – can’t wait to do it again.
That’s some pretty harsh words, even for a lib and I think you owe a lot of hispanics an apology.
For Enforcement, those weren’t my words, they were comments by your true-conservative buddies over at Townhall.
I see you want to wish your problem away. You have 490 days to get the GOP Hispanic vote back to the level it was in 2004. STFU and get to work.
But would you knowing that either of those two acts would add 10 years to the 10 you would get for illegally entering the country?
1. First, you have to actually catch me. And that means we’re back to at least 10 bodies per mile. (A thin screen up front, plus a reserve to deal with mass crossings in any given sector.)
2. Once you catch me, you have to try and convict me. That means lots of bodies to detain, try, and imprison me.
We have 2 million prisoners in this country. Your proposal requires at least quadrupling prison capacity in this country–and all of the additional beds would be federal, which means that you would have to massively increase the manning at the Bureau of Prisons.
3. And, oh-by-the-way, all you have managed to accomplish is keeping the illegal aliens from crossing by land. Maritime smuggling promptly overwhelms the Coast Guard. Once they’re in the country, it’s unlikely that they’re going to be caught.
All you will have accomplished is to (a) spend a lot of money and (b) not accomplsh your intended goal. In short, you’re a liberal.
I see Terrye is once again remarking on the name calling coming from the right. Finger pointing? Terrye resembles Slick Willie when he was pointing a bony finger at the TV camera but objects to finger pointing by others. What a hypocrite. But I guess calling another poster a profane name doesn’t get you barred from this site if you are a groupie.
Patrick Neid is right. And the goal was never border security or employer sanctions. It was amnesty for 12-20 million law breakers. Had the goal been border security/employer sanctions, the President would have responded that was what he was going to do, inspite of the failure of the bill. He did not. Chernoff made some comment about enforceing the laws, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT AMERICANS WANT, but it was just more lip service.
Anyone who thinks that this coup was not instigated by Kennedy is simply not capable of bumping two grey cells together. He learned how to manipulate the government under great teachers, his brothers. His goal was to load the vote and he may have done it with the help of our own President.
Terrye says we have lost half the Hispanic vote. Which half, I don’t know since we have never had half the Hispanic vote, ever. So how do you lose what you have never had? Terrye has failed to explain that to us.
It has not been us “enforcement first” supporters that have reduced the argument to such vitriol. It has been those like Terrye and AJ who have that honor. We have tried to use the very bill to sustain our argument, asking them to comment on the face of the bill, but all we got were insults and rhetoric.
Terrye, by your very hypocracy, you show you are no conservative. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing but you have been exposed and anyone who gives credence to anything you say is equally as dimwitted as you are.
Actually the winners here were average Americans who realized they had the power, with their phone calls and email, to influence Congress. They were able to stop a back room deal that was being crammed down their throat without any transparency of commitee meetings or cost analysis. And they did all this while being warned if they didn’t shut up the libs on both sides of the aisle would begin to shut down talk radio, Fox News and would the blogs be next?….no need to have contradictory voices to the government…these attacks on free speech sound a bit more like Venezuela and Iran than the USA to me….but then the Dems do have an affinity to dictators anyway.
BTW, got my iphone…kewl!!!
Reconciliation? What for? The GOP has made it clear – there is no common ground anymore. When you cross the line they dump all over people. Personally I think I will take my chances with the dems more often. They are misguided, yes. But since the GOP just left about a million hardened criminals on our streets and dissed them and their culture and their families, that is as bad as surrendering Iraq.
If the hard core criminals decide to gang up (and I used that term deliberately) to show us stuck up Americans – we are in for a lot of trouble. The bill going down was minor compared to the hate the GOP stirred up.
They are too hot and unpredictable to deal with. Maybe when the clear out the hotheads they will be worth giving another look at. Not now. Not until immigration gets fixed.
snip/”Actually the winners here were average Americans who realized they had the power, with their phone calls and email, to influence Congress. ”
So, as I have posted before, this was all about power for power’s sake…
Some people needed to have power over others…instead of having power WITH others.
Same coin as the dems, just the opposite side.
it would be interesting to know how many of those calls to congress were from talk radio listeners who were TOLD to call senators and congressmen
yet the hardliners call US (the common sense conservatives and moderates) Bushbots, AJ groupies, etc. etc.
Who exactly were the robots in this case?
“Personally I think I will take my chances with the Dems more often”.
Was there ever any doubt that you would?
“But since the GOP just left about a million hardened criminals on our streets”
And Billy Bob removed how many in his 8 years in the oval office? And what about the Democrats that voted against this bill? No harsh words for them, AJ?
Where are your harsh words for the special interest groups that were in constant contact with Teddy Kennedy? Are you not even interested in how those groups could install phone lines that gave immediate access to Senate offices and by-passed the switchboard or who had a copy of the “clay pigeon” amendment on their web site BEFORE the Senators had a copy of it?
So if you are going to rail on the right, you need to rail equally on special interest groups that were bending the ears of Kennedy and Kyl while those two ignored the American voter. But you won’t.
R05,
After 2004 I was ready to become a republican and I voted pretty much party line. Not now of course! I would rather work with Joe Lieberman or Nelson from Florida than you hypochondriacs any day. Hannity is the Tellie-Tubbies for the immature GOP. I have just decided it is time to stop tolerating the mental midgets and giving them the benefit of the doubt.
LOL! And of course we expect you folks to be your typical crass selves! Why not go back to calling others here Nazis again? It\’s your best trick.
terrye,”””Hey, but keep it up. The name calling”””,
Are you really so damn dumb you don’t even know which side is doing the ‘name calling’ go eat some smart pills and get up to a 2yr level.
Even AJ proudly admits he is the leader of the name calling. He invented amnesty hypochondriacs, and several others. Your liberal roots and leanings shine clearly…….
jacqui ” BTW, got my iphone…kewl!!!”
how long did you wait in line, how much do they cost and how much is the extra monthly charges to use it. I mean the net services, etc. AT&T even says they are quite high. I have AT&T. just curious.
Wah Wah Wah…namecalling….Wah Wah Wah.
Just call a spade a spade. After reading many of his posts…..I can only come to the conclusion that FE is an idiot. (and I mean idiot in terms of your actions…HA HA HA).
When I first started reading, AJ was a conservative Republican, then he became an independent conservative, now he says he is really a liberal democrat, but then he admits just above “After 2004 I was ready to become a republican” that he wasn’t ever a republican, he was just thinking about becoming one. Now he’s not thinking that anymore, he’s decided he likes the pornographer from Va and the Dim from Fl who one that is lib enough for him. He must get really tired each day, trying to get his finger high enough in the wind to see which way it’s blowing, then researching the lib sites to find any new names to call conservatives. I guess I was wrong about him getting into his fallout shelter, the sky must have fell too quickly.
It’s strange how many of AJ devotee’s now are admitting that they are really libs, see Terrye above where she now says she was a lib all along. Wolves in sheeps clothing are still wolves.
Well, at least they are consistent, they don’t take losing well.
AJ, see this statement by Reader007 just above?
“Just call a spade a spade.”
you know that is clearly a racist remark, don’t you?
there is not one single thing about me that is liberal. not my political views and not my character in general
P.S.
never have been, never will be a liberal
Reconciliation? What for? The GOP has made it clear – there is no common ground anymore. When you cross the line they dump all over people. Personally I think I will take my chances with the dems more often. They are misguided, yes. But since the GOP just left about a million hardened criminals on our streets and dissed them and their culture and their families, that is as bad as surrendering Iraq.
I’m blessed with a relatively sane (if somewhat misguided) Democrat who isn’t going to lose her seat under any circumstances (gerrymandered district). Hell, I will probably vote for her in 2008. Hell, I may even make a modest campaign contribution. I hear most Congresscritters actually treat donors with a great deal of respect.
I’ve already told my local GOP to not bother asking me for money or for GOTV support in 2008, because the only response they’re going to get is “f*** off.”
FE,
You are the most confused person on this blog. I have NEVER been a Republican. And today I am more proud of that fact than ever in my entire life.
Sorry dude, but you can wallow in that mudhole without me.
FE, AJ made a connection to “nazis” since I, ever the farm girl, made a reference to “goosestepping”. Of course, in AJ’s community, I am not sure there are many geese for him to observe. Perhaps he would have perferred I said “goose flying” as they also fly one behind the other with a lead goose. And for anyone who has ever been goose hunting, you know to shot the goose in the rear because then they don’t scatter.
But AJ had no problem with Terrye calling me a “prick” which I think is just a little over the top, even for Terrye. (Nah, on second thought, it is not over the top for Terrye). Nor does AJ have a problem with calling me a “hypochondriac” or “mental midget”. Once again, the double standard prevails on this blog.
Now AJ, in his best John Kerry form (“I was a Democrat before I became a Republican before I became a Democrat) is telling us that he is going to vote left. To quote Jim Nabors, ” Surprise, surprise, surprise.”
We have no way of knowing what color a person is on this blog; black, white, yellow, red, green. But if we are against a national travesty, we must be a white, mentally inferior male because otherwise we would be part of the enlightened group that knows what is good for this nation so much better than the first group.
Hypocracy rules here.