Jun 13 2007

GOP Taking On Damage

Published by at 9:09 pm under 2008 Elections,All General Discussions

The Immigration Debate (well, it is hard to call the nonsense surrounding this issue a debate) has taken its tolll on the Republicans – as I predicted. The far right is in full snit as they blame Bush for basically not agreeing with them. They are abondoning him – but apparently they only make up a small part of the Rep/Con community:

As President Bush attempts to revive the controversial immigration reform bill he supports, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Republicans are abandoning the president, which has dropped his job-approval rating below 30 percent — his lowest mark ever in the survey.

Let’s be clear – I am not abandoning Bush and neither are any of the folks who see his efforts to pass the legislation as a valiant effort to do the right thing. The ones running away are those who oppose the bill so much they would rather see Hillary President than the immigration bill pass. Let’s just say those far right of Bush are mad as hell and those center-right moderates who line up with Bush on issues are standing by him. So it is not the center folding, it is the fringe. I was expecting to see a large dip in the Rep/Con numbers because of this flight – I was surprised to find there are a lot of people sticking with Bush:

Back in April, 75 percent of Republicans approved of Bush’s job performance, compared with 21 percent who disapproved. Now, only 62 percent of Republican approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove.

Back in April we had the first wave of far right defectors. Those who ran from Bush over Miers, Dubai Ports, the last round of immigration. But what is interesting is this antagonistical crowd who find Bush a traitor is still damn small. Approval for Bush still runs 2-1 for in the Rep category. And since the Rep category is not less than a third of the country those far right Reps who have abondoned Bush are a measely 10% of the population (1/3 of 1/3). The vaulted majority-in-their-own-minds.

But this crowd is vocal and controls a lot of the conservative message machine, and they have left their mark on the general population. Look at how the Dem-Rep 2008 contenders have lost ground over since the immigration civil war erupted on the right:

The top two Democrats, though, seem to have upper hand in potential match-ups against the top two Republicans. According to the poll, Clinton leads Giuliani, 48-43 percent (a reversal since March, when Giuliani led Clinton by five points). And Obama tops Thompson, 50-31 percent.

I am not sure of how Fred Thompson will impact the field. I have always been a fan of his. I will watch him closely for sure. But one thing is clear – the Reps are still taking damage beyond 2006, and it is mostly from the far right undermining the rest of the conservative coalition and Bush. The self destruction continues.

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3 Responses to “GOP Taking On Damage”

  1. ivehadit says:

    Have you ever seen a group be so self-destructive? A group do more harm to America when they could have kept marching toward multiple victories?

    Unbelievable. And Bush’s numbers have actually gone up nationally, if I read them correctly at realclearpolitics.com…

  2. Jacqui says:

    I always find media driven polling questionable unless they publish the internals instead of their headlines. You can make data say what you want it to say….seen it happen more then once.

    Seeing Obama leading Thompson is not a surprise nor anything to find particularly alarming. I’m assuming it’s Fred and not Tommy. Obama has been campaigning for months and running TV ads – Thompson has made a few TV appearances and speeches. He is not even a declared candidate. The fact he gets 31% nationally at this point is great news.

    Let’s face it, a lot of people are not crazy about the immigration bill the way it is now and I’m not talking “far right David Duke lovers ” either.

  3. Soothsayer says:

    More bad news for Warpublicans.

    As if Bush’s 29% wasn’t bad enough, the right track/wrong track polling is now at its worst since 1992 when Clinton (ugh) swept Bush 41 out of office after one lame term.

    Meanwhile, in D.C., Hon. Reggie Walton put the ball in Bush’s court for convicted felon and traitor I. Lewis Libby. Does George have the stones to ignore DoJ pardon guidelines and pardon a felon who has neither admitted guilt, shown remorse or served a day of time – all in contravention of The Rules?

    If he pardons Libby, Bush will outrage many independents, and become even more of an impeachment target. Had Fitzgerald not insisted on playing softball in the Plame investigation, he would have indicted Rove, and named Cheney and Bush as unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal conspiracy to out Valerie Plame, which couldhave made things very interesting.

    I’ve often wondered if presidential pardon powers extend to pardons for co-conspirators – although that’s exactly what Bush 41 did when he pardoned Cap Weinberger the day before Weinberger was scheduled to testify about Bush 41’s knowledge of Iran Contra (you may recall Bush had testified that as a former head of the CIA and sitting VP – he was out of the loop on Iran-Contra).

    In any case – more scandal for the GOP=more independent votes for the Dems in ’08. I’m smelling a blow-out. A filibuster proof majority in the Senate, control of the House and the White House.