Jun 12 2007
The Classic Illegal Alien Example The Border Won’t Stop
Here is the classic example of an illegal alien criminal, one who came here legally and then stayed on past his allotted time. This is the kind of illegal alien which the fence/wall cannot stop. They walk right through it as if it were never there! And this is the kind of person we need to identify and get out of this country because he is allegedly a child sex offender.
man accused of fondling two pre-teen girls in a mobile home park swimming pool Sunday was mistakenly charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony and released from jail on bond. But when police were told of their mistake Monday, they re-arrested the man, whom police say is also an illegal immigrant.
Despite his arrest on two counts of unlawful sexual assault on children, immigration officials may not put an immigration hold on the man because they have “limited resources … and terrorism is the top priority.â€
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He works for an oil drilling company and was in this country on a visa, which expired, making him an illegal immigrant.
But the problem is, the bill with the resources and tools and tightened up laws to expidite these cases, is lying in the Senate tied down by Chicken Little stories from opponents on both sides. The far right says “take resources from terrorism protection – enforce the current laws”! The bill had resources so we would not have to divert terrorism resources. The far right says “secure the borders and then we will talk (all will be just fine)”! This man legally walked right by the borders – as do most. The far right says “we don’t need a guest worker program with tamper proof IDs”. This man would have been flagged by the system and any possible employers who checked his ID as someone who overstayed his visa. Right now this aspect of immigration is woefully understaffed and has extensive processes that can delay deportation for years.
The far right would rather settle for this than get all the fixes that were IN the bill, and then get MORE fixes in the next bill. One wonders how they feel knowing this man is going to be hanging around kids more, thanks to their efforts? Personally, I don’t think they care. They will think of some excuse as to why it was not their fault. It was Reid’s fault and Bush’s fault and the fault of everyone who wanted the bill passed.
That ain’t flying here. This is what happens in the zero sum games of partisan politics. People suffer as some wait for the mythical perfection that is not coming. Remember when Clinton vetoed the balance budget amendment three times before he made some fig leaf excuse about why it was finally something he could sign? Nothing much had changed, except his blocking common sense was untenable. The far right is need of a fig leaf right now.
AJ,
Jaywalking used to be illegal, but it is no longer enforced. Stealing shopping carts used to be illegal, but it is no longer enforced. Accordingly, people jaywalk and steal shopping carts without pause.
Its the same for people overstaying their Visa. The reason he is still in the country is because he, like most illegals, have no fear of being here illegally.
Providing amnesty for 12-20 million will not solve the illegal problem. Its akin to putting air into a leaking tire.
Nothing will trim the problem faster than to tell 12-20 million that we will admit you legally into this country but you have to stand in line. If you are caught here illegally, you will serve time in jail and then deported, and never ever allowed to legally enter this country. By the way, the line starts at our border.
I understand that enforcement alone will not fix the problem. We have laws against murder and drunk driving, etc. People still murder and drunks still drive, but we still enforce these laws when broken. It should be the same for illegal passage and stay.
Providing anmesty will not solve the overcrowding and degradation that has taken place in my city. Without enforcement, a new flux of illegals will arrive.
So yes, add me into the category of those who want a border fence before we move forward. Just like fixing a leaking tire, you need to plug the whole before putting more air into the tire.
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1002.html
It’s from 2002, but all you need to do is double the numbers, and it’s up to date.
Just in case anyone cares to listen. Jeff Katz is Scheduled to interview Tom Tancredo on http://www.wbt.com at 5:07 pm or 5:37 pm, I’m not sure which time. If interested, go to their website and click on Listen Live, and it should get you to it.
I know most here could not care less, but maybe someone would be interested.
Duncan Hunter says we have now built 11 miles of the Border Wall.
Got to go, take care folks!
This whole border thing could be pretty irrelevant in a few days.
Maybe a few hours. Putin has shipped the fuel rods for Iran’s
reactor at Bushehr and they arrived there yesterday,
according to debka’s middle east analysts. They’re probably
not loaded yet, but if the Israelis are planning Osirak, the sequel,
their window of decent opportunity is closing by the second,
assuming they don’t want to scatter a Chernobyl sized debris
cloud across Pakistan.
Sorry for interrupting the thread – stay alert, stuff is happening.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/10/video-st-john-panders-about-the-goddamned-fence/
Here’s one of your answers..from one of the main proponents of this bill. Yea…ok…we thought the fence was a good idea….now we don’t…so we stopped funding for it. He makes aboslutely no apologies for it. Just says….yea…that’s what we did.
Dave,
Take whatever Debka puts on their site and salt to flavor. They are often wrong. Great source; but, kind of unfiltered and unverified. Interresting story though.
Tom
The Classic Illegal Alien Example The Border Fence Might Have Stopped –
Three of the Fort Dix Six. That’s right. Three of the Fort Dix six!
–begin quote–
The source familiar with the Duka case said that the three Duka brothers—Dritan, Eljvir and Shain—are believed to have first entered the United States illegally in 1984 by crossing from Mexico at Brownsville, Texas.
–end quote–
source for the quote above –
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18705586/site/newsweek/page/0/
Another interesting quote from that article –
–begin quote–
Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a private group that lobbies for tougher U.S. immigration controls, complained that government oversights like the ones that evidently plagued the Duka case are “par for the course†in what he calls “our don’t ask, don’t tell immigration system. We make it as easy as possible for illegal aliens to live here. ‘No’ never means ‘no’.†Krikorian said that immigration bureaucrats were less at fault for these kinds of delays than policy makers who fail to make sure that laws on the books are vigorously enforced.
–end quote–
The commonly reported statistic is that only 50% of illegal aliens (actually immigration without proper documentation is, I believe, not a crime in the technical sense. You are subject to a hearing and possible deportation with many “illegals” waiving their hearing but it is technically not a crime.) cross the southern border. So building a wall would only slow the increase in illegals by 50% at best and trap those that are already here and prevent them from leaving if they wanted to because crossing a checkpoint on the way out might prevent their “legal” return later.
Under current law, I believe that undocumented entry is a violation of procedure but is not a crime. To the best of my knowledge, there is no specified penalty. If they catch you, you are told to follow the proper procedure next time and put on the other side of the border or possibly allowed to stay if you choose to have a judge hear your case at a deportation hearing.
crosspatch,
Read The link article. It’s an eye opener complete with footnotes at the end.
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1002.html
There was an article at National Review that mentioned some of this. But this article, although older, is far more complete.
I will read it later if I remember, things are really hectic here at home now (my ex passed away and I find myself suddenly a full-time single parent). But I did want to say that when I see “Center for” as the producer of any information of any sort, I take it with some skepticism because it usually means the group has a political agenda and is more interested in furthering that agenda than in actually finding any facts.
I read last year that illegal entry is a misdemeanor. One of the reasons for that disastrous May Day March was that Congress was talking about making it a felony. They did not because {among other things} law enforcement could not handle the additional load. Believe it or not cops would rather deal with rapists and burglars than nannies and roofers.
Terrye,
And AJ has repeated some of the same here and it’s absolutley “wrong”. Here’s the current law
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part IV, Sec. 1227.
STATUTE
(a) Classes of deportable aliens
Any alien (including an alien crewman) in and admitted to the United States shall, upon the order of the Attorney General, be removed if the alien is within one or more of the following classes of deportable aliens:
(1) Inadmissible at time of entry or of adjustment of status or
violates status
(A) Inadmissible aliens
Any alien who at the time of entry or adjustment of status was within one or more of the classes of aliens inadmissible by the law existing at such time is deportable.
(B) Present in violation of law
Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this chapter or any other law of the United States is deportable.
(C) Violated nonimmigrant status or condition of entry
(i) Nonimmigrant status violators
Any alien who was admitted as a nonimmigrant and who has failed to maintain the nonimmigrant status in which the alien was admitted or to which it was changed under section 1258 of this title, or to comply with the conditions of any such status, is deportable.
(ii) Violators of conditions of entry
Any alien whom the Secretary of Health and Human Services certifies has failed to comply with terms, conditions, and controls that were imposed under section 1182(g) of this title is deportable.
(D) Termination of conditional permanent residence
(i) In general
Any alien with permanent resident status on a conditional basis under section 1186a of this title (relating to conditional permanent resident status for certain alien spouses and sons and daughters) or under section 1186b of this title (relating to conditional permanent resident status for certain alien entrepreneurs, spouses, and children) who has had such status terminated under such respective section is deportable.
The current law..as it’s written was tightened in late 90s..then immediately…Janet Reno’s office issued internal memos that gutted enforcement of it (about the same time that Jamie Gorelick issued her memo that built a wall between the FBI (the primary civillian enforcement arm) and intelligence community.
AJ had earlier posts which wrongly characterized these laws. I called him on it in an earlier thread that he responded too with a sidestep (which was that he basically said..the issue was about speed of enforcment…or red tape). Perhaps..if you are reading this… since the posts seem to grow in long lines with the responses to issues raised left far behind, you can recognize for yourself…that AJ was wrong on this and never stopped long enough to acknowledge it. (not that it matters anyway given the tact taken in this bill….ie…cut off debate and pass it).
The problem is…Terrye..with all respect to you…that nobody trusts our gov to actually enforce anything. Even if you want to agree with everything in the new bill…it all depends upon it being carried out ..or enforced. It’s all just sort of glossed over. But, the information that current law does not declare illegals (even legals here who have fallen off their status) deportable…is misinfo (for whatever reason).
You can read it yourself. You can search it out yourself under the immigration naturalization act. Beyond that, we have not even started to talk about the changes made to this law by the Homeland Security Act. So..we have a new law which says…we really, really, REALLY mean it this time!! And?? Given all the history behind this…including the “wall”…..which they refused to fund and for which they have now abandoned, I would think it might be understandable that a lot of people would have some reservations about this bill…which includes yet another amnesty type provision. How many of those blowhards up there right now…have just spent the last few years…barking about securing our borders first….that it was a national security issue…that we should have national guard troops do it?? Well..the fence is abandoned….no funding. There was a story in the paper today about hispanic National Guard troops..still there…running illicit operations to smuggle illegals from mexico for cash.
Hell..most of the lower US is going to belong to mexico before long anyway. If you want to declare “amnesty”….lets just declare “amnesty” for most of Mexico..and annex it as “America” SW?