Jun 10 2009

Another Extremist Goes Violent

Published by at 3:36 pm under All General Discussions

Update: Seems this nutter related with both fringes, since we now learn he is a 9-11 truther as well:

Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 ‘truther’ who hated ‘neo-cons’, Bush, McCain

Wonder what drew this guy to the extreme fringes? What did he find he could relate to?  Hard to tell, since both extremes tended to hate Bush. – end update

Sometimes people are so extreme you just can’t place them on the left or right fringes. But if I was forced to put the latest racist, holocaust denier to go nuts and start shooting people onto one fringe or the other I would have to say he is certainly opposed to liberal policies and beliefs:

An 89-year-old white supremacist and Holocaust denier opened fire in Washington’s Holocaust Museum today, wounding at least one before being shot in the head by security officers.

He is clearly a Holocaust denier – a belief decried by Mr Obama during his speech to the Muslim world in Cairo last week. Von Brunn bemoans that “Jews control all important sources of information”, and claims that there is a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white gene pool. He also wrote: “America is a Third-World racial garbage-dump – stupid, ignorant, dead broke, and terminal. Whites LOVE their Enemies. Prepare to die, Whitey.” One of heroes he cites is World War II Real Admiral John Crommelin, a notorious anti-Semite who later ran for governor of Alabama.

Let me be clear, this whack job is not a conservative, nor would anyone on the right agree with his views, and definitely not his actions.

With that said, if I was working for DHS and was asked to place him on one extreme ‘wing’ or the other, he would have to go to the right side of the ledger. Which is why the drama queens on the right who felt the DHS report was an attack on law abiding conservatives were being totally ridiculous in pretending our security resources where targeting. This is another example of violent extremists which the DHS is rightfully concerned about, and SHOULD BE monitoring and alerting local law enforcement to be on the lookout for.

Sadly, I don’t think this will be the last (left or right). The rhetoric has become so unnecessarily heated between left and right that these whack jobs think the time is now to become the hero they always fantasized they would be. This is why responsible people keep their debates cool headed and reasonable.

44 responses so far

44 Responses to “Another Extremist Goes Violent”

  1. Terrye says:


    No actually my point was that we are supposed to believe that somehow or other conservatives are responsible for the things that extremists do, and that goes for conservatives who have never hurt anyone. That report was very general and included people who appose abortion and veterans as examples of people to watch.

    Meanwhile a guy like Kos can scream screw em when other Americans actually do die, and Democrats do not even feel the need to seperate themselves from his site. Using the logic of the DHS supporters Kos is responsible for the Muslim shooting the soldier in Arkansas.

    And that would be silly wouldn’t it?

  2. Terrye says:


    This guy is not a right wing extremist, he is not any kind of wing. He is nuts.

    He hates Bush and O’Reilley and neo cons and Republicans and Christians and Jews and the Federal Reserve Board. He belongs in his own category of nut case and no one else should be held responsible for the actions of a man who has been this disturbed for this long. If anything I wonder how it is he was not locked up in a hospital somewhere.

  3. AJStrata says:

    This one is anything but ‘clear’. I was simply noting again that the DHS had some legitimate concerns with the fringes left and right. And sadly the fringe are proving it.

    What bugs me is why all of a sudden are these attacks getting through.

  4. daniel ortega says:

    So here is how it would have happened in London.
    The bad man would have entered a museum and pulled out his gun.
    (Yes, all the bad guys in England have guns, only the rest of us do not)

    The guards would not have been armed. Maybe one of them might have
    escaped and managed to make a call. The others would be dead.
    It would take our SWAT teams about fifteen minutes to respond, by which
    time the location of the gunman would be unknown and many more
    people would be dead.

    Fortunately, you are an armed people, and the matter was brought to
    a finish quickly, as it should be.

    Now who is it that wants to disarm you?

    There are a lot of posts on this site about our mysterious Polonium
    smuggling incident. Although no conclusion was achieved, the Polonium
    incident shows us that

    The most obvious explanation need not be the true one.

    And the true explanation, if it is sanctioned by the right secret agencies
    will never come out.

    In the last few months there has been three stupid shootings in the US,
    this one, the murder of that abortion doctor, and the murder of three
    policemen by some guy who was afraid the government would
    take way his guns.

    So I will adapt a famous joke

    “Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean that you don’t have
    real enemies”


    “Just because you have a theory of a conspiracy doesn’t mean that
    no conspiracy exists”.

    Your Obama wants to disarm you. And he cannot unless a whole
    series of highly visible outrages take place. I count three so far
    and I predict many more. I do not wish them to happen.
    But I know the Left and I know of Saul Alinsky and these are his

    I cannot prove this is true and you cannot prove this is not true, so…..

    You should take care.

  5. Frogg says:

    AJ, “Now you are talking to me”! Great post.

    Gateway Pundit has a post on this guy”
    The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most “white supremacists”, many of von Brunn’s political views track “Left” rather than “Right.” Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.

    For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other “neo-conservatives” in online essays. As even some “progressives” such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, “neoconservative” is often used as a derogatory code word for “Jews”. As well, even a cursory glance at “white supremacist” writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.

    The thing is, I doubt any nutcase fits into a single category. Extremism like this belongs in a category by itself. I don’t think they should paint any nut (or groups of nuts) into “right wing” or “left wing” unless those groups claim them or support them. It’s an insult, devisive, and pits groups against each other (which only stirs up more anger).

  6. Frogg says:

    Brunn was anti Christian, too:

    Lt Col Ralph Peters said something the other day that really resonates with me. There seems to be a rise in domestic violence; and, what is troubling is there seems to be a convergence of these extremist groups from both sides.

  7. Frogg says:

    About the Miranda Rights issue. This may not be a policy change.



    “There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas,” he said in a statement, adding, “While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees.”

  8. Frogg says:

    James Von Brunn, Like Most Holocaust Deniers are From the Left not the Right

    Mac Ranger’s report also says that Brunn was a registered Democrat from Maryland.

    Does it matter? Well, maybe some of those lefty bloggers will reign in some of their anti conservative rants a bit.

    It just goes to show that “hate” isn’t “left” or “right”……it’s “evil”.

    And, all this “left vs right extremism” division is a distraction and irrelevant.

  9. AJStrata says:


    The only thing that matters is most of sane conservatives knew the DHS report was about violent extremists and did not go into drama queen meltdown!

    LOL! geez man, get over it. You keep trying to pin the nut on the left, the left keeps trying to pin the nut on the right, and everyone is frigging drama queen about it.

  10. Frogg says:

    No AJ, I am not trying to pin the nut on the left. I simply posted some articles to counter the MSM/lib bloggers trying to tarnish the right with this guy.

    Here were my words:

    “The thing is, I doubt any nutcase fits into a single category. Extremism like this belongs in a category by itself. I don’t think they should paint any nut (or groups of nuts) into “right wing” or “left wing” unless those groups claim them or support them. It’s an insult, devisive, and pits groups against each other (which only stirs up more anger).”

    “It just goes to show that “hate” isn’t “left” or “right”……it’s “evil”.

    And, all this “left vs right extremism” division is a distraction and irrelevant.”

    I’ve already spoken to the faulty report. Homeland Security apologized and withdrew the report pointing out the flaws themselves.

  11. owl says:

    This particular nut is a white racist the same way that the Wright nut is a black racist. They hate. So, anyone know any conservatives that would like to sit and listen to either for 20 years? Nope. Neither fall into a slot that a sane person would attend more than once. I tend to think this Brunn falls closer left than right because unlike the right, the left does not even attempt to renounce their racists. Nope. They make them legal and legit.

  12. Frogg says:

    The Weekly Standard magazine may have been one of Brunn’s targets also.

  13. gary1son says:

    I just watched Keith Olberman’s take-off on this supposed “right-wing” act of violence, and how it so justifies and dignifies the recent DHS report. “What was Janet apologizing for,” he asked? His chose the broadest brush he could lift to help him paint the right with guilt over this unfortunate event.

    But I think he and others who are so quick to categorize are missing the bigger picture.

    In terms of today’s right and left in America, this guy seems to fit much better on the left, IF we feel we must categorize him leftward or rightward. I doubt the DHS would have found this guy at a “Tea Party”, but more likely contributing comments to “The Daily Kos”.

    Today, the left is all about the control of populations and the power of the state, while today’s right trumpets individual freedom and individual rights, within reasonable limits of course. Carbon (read freedom) control, national health care, political correctness, gun control, hate (read thought) crime legislation, on and on and on — all devices of the left to exert state power via intimidation and indoctrination of the masses, at the expense of personal liberties.

    White supremacists and Shoah shirkers do not care about the individual. They are concerned with group and/or state power, as were the Nazis this guy worships, and as is fundamentalist Islam. They, along with other control freaks and Stalinists, being responsible for untold millions of torturous and violent deaths through history — all in the name of collective power and control by a select few chosen elites. Power — kills.

    The modern left, having little interest anymore in classic liberalism, seems more sympathetic towards Islamic terrorists and Latin American Marxist/Communist charmers — all interested not a bit in the rights of individuals to pursue happiness on their own terms — than they are toward the American soldier, who defends a country founded on principles of individuality, not statism.

    Sorry, but both Von Brunn and “Muhammad” (who shot the recruit recently) are leftists, by any practical definition.

    Their attitudes toward the American military, Israel, Islam, the Holocaust, and more broadly human freedom and equality vs human control and obsessive pigeonholing — are far better aligned with that famous leftist Barack Obama, his former black-separatist preacher and their friends at “The Daily Kos” — than they are with say …… Sarah Palin, that gun-totin’ stimulus-denyin’ universal building code-hatin’ “right winger” with an Israeli flag in her office.

    I think perhaps our DHS needs to reevaluate its left-wing / right-wing rating system, and they may be wasting tons of time on the distractions and false leads the current thinking causes. Things fit better and make more sense when we think of the scale as moving between those devoted to state or group control — and those believing in simple and traditional personal freedom and its beneficial byproduct — capitalism.

    I see the former as much more inherently dangerous and omni-threatening, sometimes in ways that don’t gain the spotlight and don’t kill outright, while the latter is subject only to a rare (and certainly not rational or condoned) loss of composure due to an overwhelming onslaught upon their freedoms, sensibilities and long-standing traditions.

  14. Well AJ, I understand your frustration, and I’m right there with you buddy.


    Get used to it, because The ONE is back to the “Law Enforcement Appproach”, as he’s secretly ordered FBI Agents to “Mirandize” “HVT’s” captured on the Battlefield.

    Anyone want to start an over/under on when the NEXT 9/11 takes place?

    Of course, it will be “Bush’s Fault”, when it does happen!

    We. Are. So. Screwed!

  15. gary1son says:

    For some reason, the link that was supposed to be tagged to “millions of torturous and violent deaths” didn’t show up.


  16. AJStrata says:

    Gary, fixed it. The html format was not right.

  17. AJStrata says:

    Great, now we have to mirandize them? Can we do it after who shoot them or blow them up?

    Speaking of morons ….

  18. crosspatch says:

    The guy is a left wing wacko. Hated conservatives, hated Jews.

    He is a registered Democrat in Maryland. He also allegedly had “The Weekly Standard” on his target list.

  19. Terrye says:


    Brunn was supposedly targeting Fox News and the Weekly Standard, and he is a registered Democrat.

    And no, most socalled sane conservatives did not know that the DHS report was only targeting extremists. Unless of course you think the American Legion leadership is insane.

    When the DHS report talked about left wing groups, they talked about specific groups and people…when they talked about right wing extremists, they did not specify groups…they simply referred to veterans, abortion opponents and such. So that means you too AJ.

  20. Terrye says:


    I should have read your comment before I wrote that.